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Maybe it was the stone boat in Kearsarge which Jonathan had photographed a few days earlier, which inspired him to look again at all of the stone structures. We had some business in this building shortly after moving here in 1988. We had bought Edith Yokie's place in Eagle River, which at the time was on a leased lot. Though there were many years left on the 100 year lease, we approached the Lake Superior Land Company and inquired as to the availability to purchase. Their offices were in this stone building at the time.

Not only were we able to purchase the lot on which our home was situated - above the dunes in Eagle River - but shortly after that the dunes themselves were purchased by a developer. Their plans to build 5 condo buildings didn't work out, and eventually the land was picked up by our neighbors Ernie and Edith Neiderer. It's the view we see each day out our back picture window (minus the condos :o)

more tomorrow

Morning!

Charlie: You have such a beautiful area to live in & I'm so glad the 5 condos didn't work out!

Hi and I wish right beautiful spring day to all!

This one lin where is works spring pictures from Suomis;
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Good morning everyone :)
Charlie, speaking of land leases, reminds me of the land/homes the Federal Government bought along the Lake Michigan National Park Shoreline, in Beverly Shores, Indiana...about 20 years ago. The people owned the homes (which the government had purchased from them), but had agreed to turn them over to the Federal government, when it came time for the National park service to demolish them, to make way for the National Shoreline.
Hubby and I didn't know about this, when we first moved to Indiana...and we were pleasantly surprised to find such 'great deals' on the lakeshore homes. It wasn't until I checked the property tax records, and I found out that the homeowners were not paying property taxes on the land/homes, because it was federal property. Which in turn led to a phone call to a more reputable realtor, who informed me, "that's a lease back...you aren't purchasing the home/land, but just leasing it until the National Park service decides to demolish the home...and most are set to be demolished by 2005. All you're doing is purchasing the remainder of the lease from the homeowner...not the home/land." Yikes.

Charlie--

That's some view you have!

Charlie, How lucky you are to wake up to a view like that every day. Thankfully the condos didn't work out. That would have been awful. I hate seeing Eagle River changing at all. It's such a gorgeous spot.

Sur5er, Was reading your post about Custer this morning. You just crack me up. Rubber arrow with super glue, eh?;) What a novel idea. Custer was one bad dude who deserved what he got. It wasn't a very nice time in our country's history, that's for sure. I do love the sign as you're leaving North Dakota though. It reads something like "Don't leave North Dakota. Custer was healthy when he left." Leave it to North Dakota to capitalize on that. I just find it funny!

Mikie, How's little Joseph today? Hope he's feeling fine. Any news of the other baby? Hasn't that poor girl had contractions for long enough yet? Good luck to your family. We'll continue to pray for Joseph's complete recovery and for another happy, healthy baby.

Usedtobeayooper, ROFL about North Dakota's sign...that is a good one :)

Mikie, Hope all goes well with Joseph's medical tests today...and I hope that newest grandbaby makes his appearance pretty soon.

See my note on Custer in Sunday's "What's Up."

Julwisc, My ex and I have raised our daughter, to be very proud of her Native American heritage. Unfortunately, there are many folks in Monroe County who idolize Custer for what he did to the Native Americans. Ironically, of those who have vandalized Custer's statue, not one was Native American.

Julwisc, I don't believe that Sur5er's daughter would truly DO anything to the statue. She just made a comment about it. I'm sure she's put up with many a comment in her lifetime. The comment she made was funny. But no statue should be defaced. It is just a funny thought and I thought it was cute.

Well my goodness, it's point and counterpoint. Very interesting...... eh

Speaking of Cherokees...my father's sister, my
aunt, married a full-blooded Cherokee from
Oklahoma. He is a descendant of the
Cherokees who were sent to the Indian
territories by Andrew Jackson and his politcal
cronies. A very sad story. These are the
people who left the Smokies to walk the
Cherokee Trail of Tears when they were
"removed" by the same people who found
them so helpful during the War of 1812. As
they walked and died along the Trail of Tears
they planted roses that still may be seen
there. I don't deface monuments, but I try to
avoid using $20 US bills. Andrew Jackson is
not one of my heroes.

I'm done with my rant, but it is a heart rending
story as is the removal of the Ojibway of the
Apostle Islands. The only reason that the
Ojibway , Chippewa or Anishinabeg were not
removed from Keweenaw Bay is that Father
Baraga, learning from the example of the
Ojibway of the Apostle Islands, purchased the
land and made the deed out to the Native
people living there. No, Father Baraga wasn't
perfect, but neither are we in the 21st C. It's
hard to see the errors of our own ways, but
false treaties and genocide are, no matter
when you lived, lies and murder.

I didn't presume her daughter would deface the statue. I was referring to the person who had painted part of the statue orange, and Sur5er was laughing about it. By the way, I'm proud of my Indian heritage, also.

Kosk, What a wonderful post. My daughter came over today, and we talked about these posts...and I asked her, "what was it like for you, growing up in Monroe County?"

These were the points she made:
1) Everyone idolized Custer.
2) Whenever you enter Monroe County or Monroe, there are large signs stating, "hometown of General Custer".
3) The Native Americans, were always considered, to be bad.
4) History in a Monroe County school: Custer was the hero, and Native Americans were inferior to whites.
5) According to the history of Monroe, it didn't begin until Custer...and of course, no mention is made of how the Native Americans settled there first.
6) Masacres: when the Native Americans won a battle, against whites.
7) Battles: when the whites won a battle.
8) Her first history lesson in a school outside of Monroe County: she about fell out of her chair when Native Americans were talked about positively. She referred to this, "as finally learning about history, correctly." And that's just sad.

Sur5er--

I've seen that sign outside of Monroe. It
shocked me. Maybe..and that's a big maybe
which I can't back up with any remembered
details..he was a hero during the Civil War.
That's possible. His exploits in the West were
far less than heroic.

I'm sure that's the way history was taught in
Monroe County. Until very recently, things
were't much better here. My big interest
historically is Aboriginal Studies, so my class
has been learning about the Iroquois
(Haudeneshone) and Ojibway (Anishinabeg).
I'm hoping to take a seminar about the Cree
next month. It's hard to believe that anything
this interesting should be treated like a(n)
historical footnote. As my dad would say--"It
jars my quills."

Makes you think though, doesn't it, what group
are we neglecting to teach this generation.
It's hard to get it right, but we should try our
best.

Kosk, What I would have given, to have my daughter taught by you :) It is such a shame that the history of Native Americans has become nothing more than a footnote in our history, when in fact, they were the first Americans. Thank you for insuring that thier contributions are not forgotten :)

Took a 'trip' (via the internet) through Monroe County, through my daughter's eyes this evening.

http://historicmonroe.org/h008.htm. Note the reference to Custer's "Indian fighting" in the second historical marker. Why this marker still remains, is beyond me.

http://monroe.lib.mi.us/hs_special_collections_custer_related_sites.htm. All the Custer sites and sites dedicated to Custer. Sigh. Also, on this site, check out the newspaper articles pertaining to Custer, and those 'evil Indians'. Sigh.

sur5er: Are you still up? Are you thru with your paperwork? Why not?
Thanks for the sites sur5er. Do you notice that even the horse had sense to hang his head in shame on the statue. (Even it's hind quarters are sagging.) It does not look like a war horse - proud and majestic that would go into battle. It has the stance of one going into battle with defeat as the alternate end.

Beverly, Yep, I am still up and working on paperwork. This week, the jury found former Illinois Governor Ryan, guilty of several federal charges, regarding his CDL scam :) Which of course means more leverage in forcing Indiana to clean up their act, in regards to how they are currently court ordering truck drivers to violate Federal DOT laws...because Ryan's verdict proves that no one is invincible when it comes to messing with the feds ;)
Anywho, things are hopping on my end...and I'm loving every minute of it :)

Sur5er--

I will check out the sites tonight after I get back
from work. I know I will be interested.

Good luck with your new batch of paperwork.
It makes me feel better to know that the long
arm of justice is still at work.

I wish I could have taught your daughter too,
but the truth is that she would have had to
have a lot of problems to land in my class.

Sur5er, You know why the Native Americans were considered bad don't you? Look at every movie ever made about the old west. The Indians were were always involved in a massacre when the men weren't around. You'd see them going to their homes, killing the women and kidnapping the children. The Indians are attacking wagon trains heading west, etc., etc. There is nothing ever noted about the "white man" and all of their evil doings. And it was a different time. I think they both thought they were doing the right thing. It's sad. As if killing is ever the right thing. There are many so called "real Americans" who can't stand to see the immigrants moving in. Well, that's probably how our Native Americans felt when people starting coming here. But I will tell you something. Just like with any race, there are some not so nice Native Americans out there and I've seen them. When I lived in North Dakota, you didn't want to live around them. But that was 20 years ago. There were your good ones, as with other races, but there were some bad ones. And the problem is that the bad ones give the whole race a bad name. That is with every race. What bothers me is that the bad "white men" don't give the good "white men" a bad name. I wonder why that is? I have Indian blood in me too. My ancestors are all from Canada so I'm mostly French but there's that touch of Indian too. It's weird though because nobody ever spoke of it so I really don't even know what kind. I just know that one of my uncles looked nearly full-blooded but he was the only one. Strange. All this talk has gotten me thinking about it and I may have to do some digging. Anyway, I'm sure you've raised your daughter to stand with her head tall. Times have changed or at least they're changing. She's certainly done nothing wrong and hopefully people have come to realize that what happened in the past is just that. And Kosk, our history books need to change because I'm pretty sure the Native Americans were never mentioned in a good light when I was growing up. You know what they say, "It only takes one." Maybe you're that one.

...Deb..I think the Indians/French of Quebec ..were Mowhawk Indians.....the intermarriage was encouraged when the French ruled the area but frowned upon when the English won control....

OOPS.....that is "Mohawk" (sp)..there was a Mohawk Indian Reservation near Montreal named "Crabtree" in the late 1800s..wish I knew more about it...

Usedtobeayooper and Marylou: I will try to find
out more about the Mohawks near Montreal. I
know about a fairly recent incident concerning
a golf course that wanted to make a course on
sacred burial grounds, but the name of the
place was Kanasawakee (sp?), not Crabtree.
But who knows? I will check.

Those were generous words Deb.

Sur5er:

Thanks for those web sites. Ironic that I could
scarcely remember the details of why he was
a hero in the Civil War, but had no problem
recalling his later nefarious exploits. I bet
anyone who sees the sign entering Monroe
only thinks of Little Big Horn. How many must
be asking themselves: Why is this guy a
hero?

How could he have gone so wrong so quickly?
And what to make of such a divided
resume...All around tragic.

Kosk...would appreciate any information you find about the Mohawk-French connection. I think most Canadian French in the U.P. trace their roots to Quebec/Montreal...Lake Linden was considered a "French" town...When England took control of Canada the "half-breed" was considered inferior...so it was not something that was spoken of when they came to the Copper Country. I would guess there is a lot of Mohawk blood in the area.......

Marylou--

I tried to do a little sleuthing last night. I
checked out some maps I received at a
conference about the Mohawks last summer
and learned that their influence did stretch up
to Quebec. I will ask at the next conference I
go to in mid-May and see what I can find. I
have a friend down the street who is a mixture
of French Canadian, Irish and Mohawk whose
family hails from near Montreal. I will see
what she knows too.

In the meantime, if you can get your hands on
a copy of Richard Dorson's "Bloodstoppers
and Bear Walkers," (Cambridge: Harvard UP,
1952), you'll find a real gold mine of
information. Some of you may even recognize
some of the names. Dorson is a folklorist
who gathered stories in the UP from the many
groups living there in the middle of the last
century when many old timers were still
around to tell their stories. There is a special
chapter about the French Canaidans as well
as chapters that include info about Native
Americans and people of mixed blood. Good
stuff about the Cornish, Finns, Scandinavians
and other groups as well.

Something I started wondering about: How
did the town of Mohawk get its name?

Kosk, I'm just reading these posts on the 17th and it's wonderful that you're trying to dig up this stuff for us. I wonder how DID Mohawk get it's name. Makes you think. I just never thought much about it. Yeah, Lake Linden, where I come from is a "French" town. My great-grandparents were called memere and pepere (sp?) but not my grandparents. My mom put a stop to that. My grandparents used to speak French in front of me when they didn't want me to know what they were saying. I always thought they were talking about me. French was the only foreign language taught in school. I'd love to know exactly what the Indian connection is to me. It wasn't spoken about because it seemed taboo or something. But it is there and that's the way it is whether they liked it or not. Anyway, thanks for the help. When I have a chance I'll go to some sites and do some digging. It seems all I do is work, come home and go to bed. My dog is wearing me out because she demands so much of my attention. Oh well, I wanted her.

Kosk..my Grandfather, Jacques Pierre Boudreau and Grandmother, Victorine Asselin Boudreau came from the area.....I estimate their birth date about 1860-1870... Catholic..married in Quebec...they came to Lake Linden in late 1800s...a couple of their children went back to raise their families in Quebec..Thank you.....

PS..I understand that when France took control of the wilderness (now Quebec) after the French-Indian War..there were few white women available so France and the missionaries encouraged marriage with native women. When Engand took control of the region they frowned on the practice.

Mary Lou, you are corect about the intermariage. The Jesuits and the govt. encouraged the unions as a way to get more trade with the natives. This was done before the War after the war the English pig dogs, didn't approve of this practice, but the French may have lost the war, but kept their traditions and kept doing what they were doing.