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Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: Sep: Sep 28-04
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Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:38 am:

The 'UP north' town of Big Bay, is situated 23 miles north of Marquette, surrounded by water and wilderness, so it's the perfect spot for the sportsman or sportswoman. North and east of the town, you'll find Lake Superior, then to the west is the McCormick Wilderness Tract and the Huron Mountains, with the actual town being right on Lake Independence. So, it only makes sense to make a stop at the Outfitter's for a bucket of bait, then head off to the second shot for a full day of angling on one of the many lakes in and around the town!

By Betty, CA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:39 am:

First Post

By In on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:44 am:


By Leslie on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:44 am:

Good Morning from the Northern Lights Lodge... not 'quite' the first post!

By smf in troll land on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:49 am:

Good morning!

By shy yooper on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:53 am:

Good Morning All! Have a wonderful day!

By Roudy Mi on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:53 am:

Talley Hoo! We're off on another day's adventure. Worked on the Big Bay harbor entrance as a youngster with Thornton Const and the Corp of Eng.

By Lorelei, MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:01 am:

Good Morning from Chilly South Range.
Brrrrr. Cold morning, beautiful moon.

By L-O-V-E Pastycam! on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:02 am:

"A bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at work"

Good Morning All!

By Lisa, Mi on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:03 am:

Big Bay? Is that where they filmed "Anatomy of a Murder" with Jimmy Stewart?

By H. Donn de Yampert, PT, DPT. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:07 am:

I like the first photograph.

By Bob P - West Bend, WI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:16 am:

Good Morning all - wishing I was in the U.P.

By Chris K, IL on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:21 am:

Yes to Lisa. This is our only bad rating of a place to stay in the U.P. About 8 years ago, we made reservations to stay in the inn where the film was made (forgot the name.) It took forever to drive there, it seemed. When we checked in we found out that there were twin beds and a "bathroom down the hall for the women and one the other way for the men." My mouth fell open. I never dreamed of asking if there was a private bath. Nevertheless, we cancelled our stay there (much to the shock of the desk clerk who couldn't imagine why someone wouldn't want to stay in such a "famous" place) and had to drive in the dark towards Marquette to find suitable quarters.

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:38 am:

Great links to information on the Huron Mountains and the Huron Mt. Club, Mary!

By LD/NJ on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:52 am:

The bridge is down.

By danbury on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:52 am:

As to yesterday: sorry, tremble. Didn't get you were eyewitness, not just passing by afterwards.

By Kevin K. Lodi, CA. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:53 am:

Good Morning fron CA.
Looks like a beautiful, crisp fall day in the U.P.

By jon/mn on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:03 am:

Is the stack in the background from the old bowling pin factory that was run by AMF Corp?

By K, Houghton on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:22 am:

We are talking about the Laurium Manor Inn today. Anyone out there know when it was featured as the pic of the day on this site? We are interested in the photo and discussion that followed. Thanks.

Sep 27,2002

By Movin on UP on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:27 am:

67 ˝ hours to go, but who's counting?

By Alex Tiensivu, Georgia on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:31 am:

How many seconds with that 67 1/2 hours?

By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:34 am:

Good morning from once again, sunny Nevada....

Sad to see Big Bay has been overrun by the "trendy" people!!! I remember a time in the not so distant past when the only things there was a general store, the hotel, and a very nice park on Lake Independance.

On a lighter note (at least for a geologist ;-), has everyone heard about Mt St. Helens back east?? Lots of earthquakes around the mountain which means magma is on the move. Some of the people studying it think it could blow its top pretty soon. It would really be neat now that I'm old enough to actually understand it :-)

As I look at the calender, it's down to just 9 days until we return to the Copper Country for a visit...... can't wait!!!

By GoogleGuy on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:39 am:

Laurium Manor Inn


Also 3/17/98, pic only. No discussion


The first time Laurium Manor Inn appeared on the Pasty Cam, we did not have the "Cam Notes" discussion feature yet. By the way, the Inn is one of the Pasty Cam's oldest sponsors, and is also one of Pasty.NET's wireless HotSpots.
By JEFF PORTLAND OR on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:44 am:


By Kim near Lansing on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:50 am:

Happy Birthday Dad!!!

By Gander on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:51 am:

I remember when Mt. St. Helen errupted in Aunt Dorothy sent me ashes in a ziplock bag and I thought it was the coolest thing to have.

I think that the Laurium Manor is so neat. Whats the deal with the stories that its "haunted"? Urban Legend, or does it have substance to it?

By H. Donn de Yampert, PT, DPT. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:51 am:

Mount St. Helens is phenomena no one controls. The last eruption caused havoc for many miles. I remember the astro turf at the U of Washington stadium turning rock hard after it was all cleaned up. There is a very nice amphitheatre in Seattle that gives you an almost being there feeling like being on a roller coaster to see the before, during and after effects.

By MTU alum & youth and education advocate on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:51 am:

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Help Michigan's youth-in-need explore their future! Sponsor tickets by visiting and clicking on Tix4Kids. Make a difference in someone's life! We all want our Michigan youth to succeed, and you can help shape their futures! Donated tickets are $18.00 each and will get students into both the game and the expo. These tickets are tax-deductible (to the extent allowable by law). You WILL NOT receive the tickets but WILL receive a gift receipt.

Please pass this information on!

Info copied and pasted from above websites FYI

I didn't see where this type of post would not be allowed, but if Charlie or Mary find that it is not, please remove it.

Glad to pass along the links. Michigan Tech has been VERY important to the growth of both Pasty Central and Pasty.NET. The largest single group of regular pasty orders come from Michigan Tech Alumni, and Pasty Central also provides pasties for Food Service at Tech. The MTU Keweenaw Research Center was the site of Pasty.NET's first wireless access point over 3 years ago, and one of the first in the U.P.

As a side note, the co-designer of this website and the guy who maintains the entire Pasty.NET system - locally and nationwide - is a Michigan Tech graduate, Jonathan Hopper. He also designed much of the packaging process we use to ship fresh pasties everywhere in the U.S.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:53 am:

My Dad took me to dinner at a restaurant/B&B, I think it was in Big Bay De Noc??? It was a little town, and didn't have much to speak of..maybe there is a Little Bay De Noc???? Anyway, it was a nice little place.

Good Morning!!!

By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:08 am:

Good morning!

By Raven, Downstate MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:42 am:

Morning everyone! Well, almost g'affanoon . . . Hey, PFD, are you a Lake Orion native or a transplant? I may be in Lansing, but in my heart I'll always be a Dragon!

By Jimmer in Houghton on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:56 am:

Heads up to folks traveling to Houghton - lots of construction in town these days! Seems like everybody is scurrying to finish jobs while the weather is still decent. There are road projects happening on Montezuma near the Portage Lake District Library, on Sharon, near the Bridge, etc., etc.

Sorry, I don't have any advice about alternate routes, just letting you know so that you can anticipate and adjust as best you can.

By maijaMI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:08 pm:

Thanks, Jimmer. My sister lives in a group home, (Copper Country Mental Health is outstanding!) and I will be in Houghton/Hancock next week for her annual meeting. Will plan accordingly.

By finlander, painesdale on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:10 pm:

The latest I heard about St. Helens is that the lava dome in the middle is going to get bigger as has been happening for the last 20 years. It started as nothing after the eruption and is now about 1/2 mile across. I felt a few tremors when I lived in Battle Ground a few years back, which is about 25 miles from the mountain. Hopefully it will just push the lava dome a bit bigger.

By J.D. Muskegon on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:12 pm:

Can anyone give me the web address for Dan Uganski? I would like to order some of his prints. Thanks so much!

By Urbanski on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

By Urbanski on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:24 pm:

by the way, I am not saying I am Urbanski, just typed it to correct the spelling. :)

By H. Donn de Yampert, PT, DPT. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:24 pm:

By cheryl mi on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:27 pm:

Do people from outside the area know that there was a double murder and a suicide in the Laurium Manor years ago? I certainly wouldn't want to stay there. It may be beautiful but I'd rather look at it from the outside.

By yikes on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:02 pm:

Do you know when? and why?

By ric in WI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:07 pm:

By the way the Big Bay Lighthouse bed and Breakfast is a great place to stay...a bit pricey but unbelievably quiet and serene.

To the persons who were upset by bathrooms not in the room, for God's sake please never leave the US, then...LOL....

Seriously older places are just THAT...older, with less amenities....

By Moving on UP on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:07 pm:


Now down to 66 hours ( 3960' or 237,600" ), but who's counting?

By Bob-b on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:34 pm:

Happy 50th Dan,say hello to bodean and to JBM,centerline say hello Haller. Good day and peace to all.

By Bob-b on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:34 pm:

Happy 50th Dan,say hello to bodean and to JBM,centerline say hello to Haller. Good day and peace to all.

By Raven, Downstate MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:39 pm:

Ok, I give up. Someone kicked me in the curiosity bone, and now I gotta know. As far as the Laurium Inn, and the murder/suicide that allegedly took place there, did it really? When? What was the trigger event? Is it supposedly haunted now? What happens that makes one suppose it's haunted? Is it written up somewhere? Morbidly curious people want to know . . .

By shelly on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:41 pm:

Yes...I want to know too because I toured the place, and thought about staying there....

By Jim, Twin Cities on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:44 pm:

Cheryl & Yikes,

I'm an "outsider" (grandson of a short term Yooper in the late 1800's) and a Yooper wannabe. From what I read, the undertaker/owner of the funeral parlor being operated in the Hoatson mansion, now Larium Manor Inn, had a fatal disease, and an invalid wife and mentally challenged foster son, both of whom relied on his care. He apparently felt that they could not get the care they needed when he died so he killed them and then himself. They say that he was a very kind and compassionate person and not someone to be feared. This all happened in the early 1970's.

I learned of this only recently. I stayed in one of the servant's rooms on the third floor last year when I came UP to do a little sightseeing before working the Lake Superior Pro Rally (POR) It's a wonderful place. I really enjoyed myself. I'm staying there again this year (In three weeks. Like everyone else, I can't wait to get back to the UP.)

It doesn't bother me that three poor, unfortunate souls departed this earth in the mansion (Affect me, yes; bother me, no.) But, I'm sure that I will view the place differently this time, especially having breakfast in the dining room.

I would never avoid staying there because of it. It is such a beautiful place and does such a wonderful job of taking you back to the luxury of that early 1900's era. (The odds of me being there if I had been alive in that era, are just about zip.) I fully expect that I will stay there at least part of the time, every time that I come UP.

By Raven, Downstate, MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:46 pm:

Thanks for the story, how very very sad. I'll see the building in a different light from now on.

By Yikes on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:10 pm:

Still Yikes!

By julie b., MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:15 pm:

To Shelly-

I think you are talking about the inn and restaurant in Nahma on Bay De Noc, Lake Michigan.

By neighbor, from around the block, Btn on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:22 pm:

I correct jim on this story. His grand-son Tom was not mentally challenged. He was burned while playing with gasoline and matches with my brother. His Grandfather had been taken Tom down to the University of Michigan for burn treatments once a month or so. Apparently when the Grandfather found out he was going to have heart surgey, He didn't think he was going to make it. So he figured no one could care for his grandson and his wife. I use to play inside the mansion as a young boy with Tom. I haven't been back inside since the murders. I would like to go for a tour one of these days, just to see how it looks from what I remember.

By Gulp on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:30 pm:

How did he kill them?

By shelly on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:33 pm:

Julie b-

Yes, I think it was. There was a cute place to eat, and then upstairs were the rooms. I went with my Dad, and after dinner asked to go see the rooms out of curiosity. The waitress thought my Dad was my husband and teased us about not spending too much time "up there". He laughed, and I was terribly embarrased. (sp) Anyway, it was a cute place. Thanks for the correction

By Lowell Mo. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:35 pm:

To Jeff in Portland: Lived In Auburn Wa. When The Mountain blew its top. Remenber seeing piles of ashes at Yakima that they cleaned off the streets and roads like they plow snow in the U.P. Most All the State Troopers cars in Eastern Wa. had to be replaced because of the ash getting into them. It literally ground them up. I still have a pint jar of that ash around here somewhere. Best grinding compound you could get your hands on. Also good fertilizer.

By Jim, Twin Cities on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:35 pm:


Thanks very much for correcting the story. I obviously, had no contact with any of it, only having read about it. I'm very glad to hear from someone who knew them and can set the story straight for all of us.


By Mary, Lemoore CA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:37 pm:

We are rockin and rollin here in Central California. We had a 5.9 earthquake about an hour ago. It was in Parkfield. I believe that is real close to the San Andreas fault. Several aftershocks. Apparently was felt up and down California.

By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:45 pm:

The lava dome in the center of Mount St. Helens has been growing periodically since the last eruption in 1980. Often, these domes just keep growing. Sometimes, however, the lava dome actually plugs up the volcano's vents. When this happens, pressure keeps building until it reaches a critical point and an eruption occurs.
Not all eruptions are large, like the one in 1980. In reading the daily reports I have from the Cascades Volcano Observatory (CVO), it seems like shallow earthquakes are increasing in frequency but no magmatic gasses have been detected by a flyover yesterday. From reading the reports, it doesn't seem like the scientists from CVO are expecting a large eruption. If an eruption occurs it sounds like it will probably be similar to the smaller eruptions that occured on the mountain between 1989 and 1991.

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:47 pm:

I felt it... on the 14th Floor here where I work, and we just swayed and swayed and swayed. Now I'm dizzy!

By Liz, Idaho on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:48 pm:

Laurium Manor was one time a funeral home that my Mom used for both my Grandparents (1971 and 1974). The murders/sucides are true but not important because it was a sad sad event. All folks involved were loved.

Mt St. Helens: Was on Hells Canyon of the Snake River (Oregon/Idaho/Washington borders) when it blew in 1980. No outside commuications and didn't know why all that ash was falling. Figured it out in a big hurry when we got to Lewiston/Clarkston! Did not have ash in Pocatello but it did cover North Idaho and parts of Montana. Will be another interesting saga if it goes anytime soon.

By neighbor, from around the block, Btn on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:51 pm:

He shot both of them in there sleep, then turned it onto himself.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:57 pm:

Hold on Audrey!!!!

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:59 pm:

Shelly... Funny! And thanks!! By the way, you appeared absent this past Friday, as I didn’t see you post at all. I posted a trip highlight, so if you wanna read it, just go to the Fri, Sept 24 cam notes.

By Tom on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:59 pm:

After the tragic events of the Thomas Funeral Home the building
sat empty for about 15 years. It was purchased by an "out-of-
towner" and stripped of the stained glass and electrical fixtures.
The current owners have done a wonderful job of reconstruction
and it is truely a beautiful place. I recommend that EVERYONE
visit, even for just a tour if not overnight.

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:04 pm:

We just stayed there a few weeks ago and it was beautiful! Great breakfast too. Funny, the owners used to live in San Jose in the 80's. It's a very small world.

By Protowhatever, Calumet, MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:08 pm:

Just my 2 cents...

I worked at the Laurium Manor Inn as a receptionist for a summer, so I was there after dark. I never got the "heeby-jeebies" or noticed anything unusual.

If you haven't been there, do put it on your "to-do" list when you visit the area (either to tour or stay at). It is just beautiful!

By Doug Smith, Wixom, MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:10 pm:

My wife and I have stayed at The Laurium Manor Inn several times. What a wonderfull place! Last time was October last year, was just a bit cold at night though. Guess I didn't turn the raditor on after all :o( One has to remeber they're staying in an old historic mansion, an not some fancy new hotel. Our room had a nice private bath. There are rooms there without. I've got a few pics in my gallery for those interested.

By NL /IL on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:18 pm:

I remember well, the very sad event at the Laurium Manor Inn. Mr Hurlbert was a very nice man.Well respected in the community.

By n on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:44 pm:

The whole community was shocked, it was unimaginable. NL , you are right, he was a very nice person.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:59 pm:

I took Friday off as a "Mental Health Day"...laid in bed all day, ate popsicles and watched TV! Yeah!

I look forward to reading your post about your trip!

I would like to know more about the Laurium Manor. So, I know that originally it was owned by a Copper Mining Co. Owner, and then what? How did it get to be a Funeral Home, and how did they restore it so well?

By Dick B. State of Frustration at not being in the UP on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:01 pm:

My father was the depot master for the railroad during a part of the 50's and we were able to see the Ford Mill burn from the vantage point of the depot in Big Bay. When Mike Chenowith(sp) was murdered in his bar (the basis for Anatomy Of A Murder) I believe it was Larry Cherette(sp)who ran down to use the RR phone in the depot to call the state police in Marquette. There were only two phones in town at the time, one in the depot and one in the Big Bay Inn. Both were hand crank jobs to get the attention of the operator in Marquette to connect you to whoever and for the railroad's messages. Brings back a flood of memories. My folks and sibs were all extras in the movie and I remember meeting Lee Remick and James Stewart and the rest of the cast at a grade school assembly when they came and talked to us.

Lots more stories but 'nuff said for now.

By yooper stuck in PA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:16 pm:

I remember walking past the Thomas Funeral Home every day on my way to the Charles Briggs school. They had the biggest huskie I ever saw chained up next to a dog house that looked like a small garage. The huskie used to bark and snarl as anyone walked by and every once in a while, he would get loose. One day, I am sure I set a record for the 100, 220, 440, and 880 yard dash for a 10 year old and I did it in winter boots.

The garage had an interesting feature. It had a turntable that operated like a roundhouse turntable. You could drive your car in frontward, push a button and the car was turned around to drive out frontward.

Maynard Hurlburt took the place over from his father in law, Thomas. He was a very nice man, always impeccably dressed, with a very narrow moustache. We never missed the funeral home on Haloween as he always gave out big candy bars to everyone who called.

By Jim, Twin Cities on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:36 pm:

This is one of the many things that I like about this website; how the UP just comes alive with all the memories that people post. The Laurium Manor Inn is no longer just a beautiful, historic mansion in which I can stay. It's a living thing because of all the "life" that I have read here today. It will be a much different and even more enjoyable experience when I stay there in three weeks, than it would have been without your memories.

Thank you very much!!


By Kevin K. Lodi, CA. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:46 pm:

felt some rolling going on here in Lodi this morning from the quake down south.
Surf the earth!

By shelly on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:46 pm:

I am so facinated, did I spell that right? anyway, I think that the Laurium Manor is very interesting indeed. I remember all the lavish decorations and such, and just wonder in my mind what it was like as a funeral home. Does anyone know when it transfered to a funeral home from the rich guy? AM I asking the questions in an intelligent way...I feel kinda tired this afternoon.. sorry

By Chris, IL on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:46 pm:

We (of the no private bathrooms in Big Bay note above) also stayed twice in the Laurium Inn. Quite a lovely building. Did not know the story, but I did get a very creepy feeling on the staircase up to the third floor, in the parlor and in the second floor hall. Perhaps just because it is a large, dark Victorian building, but then again, maybe not.

We did have our own bath there. You all should try it. It is a piece of history.

By ywb/yooperwannabe/richmond on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 05:02 pm:

Big Bay, our favorite place to stay. We have always rented a cabin on Lake Independence. Many a fish have been caught by my family over the years. It has been the best place to watch my kids learn about "da yoop". As far as Big Bay becoming a "trendy" town. Don't beleive it.
It has changed since the first time I came up back in 77. But not too much. The big issue now is the nickel mining. It would forever alter the lives of all. Every living thing would change for the worse. Please support the group that opposes this project.

By Jeffrey in Houston on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 05:16 pm:

Certainly a sad event took place in the Laurium Manor and I hate to seem insensitive, but now that we've broached the subject of hauntings, and with Halloween coming soon I have to ask...Are there any famous haunted houses, bridges or the like in the UP that are open to the public? Everyone loves a good ghost story...don't they?

By Troll In Eagle Harbor : on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

I was just trying to imagine a couple feet of volcanic ash.....Maybe there's a market out there for an "ash blower" or they could sell Silver Bear "Ash Scoops"????? Instead of a snow shovel....Are you getting the picture here? ;>)

By TLM on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 05:17 pm:


yooper stuck in PA said, "Maynard Hurlburt took the place over from his father in law, Thomas. He was a very nice man, always impeccably dressed, with a very narrow moustache"

I agree fully, Maynard Hurlburt was indeed a nice man. As far as when it was a funeral home, I know Mr. Hurlburt ran it as "Thomas Funeral Home" in the mid-late 1950's as we had a funeral for a family member there at at that time.

By Reality Check on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:25 pm:

A lack of mining would alter our lives forever-- for the worse. We wouldn't have cars or cell phones. We wouldn't have electricity or telephones. No x-rays, dental fillings, surgical equipment or even some types of medication. Our cropland would not be able to produce as much food and we would have famines. (Yes, the fertilizers that support much of the modern farming come from mining). Heck, we wouldn't have tractors or steel plows to till the land.
Stop and think for a moment how many things in our everyday lives start in a mine. It is easy to want to ban mining until we realize that it is integral to our lives.

By Susan, Fl on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:26 pm:

Better late than never....tried to post last night but there was no "add a message" box! This was around 10 after 11 last night. Tried to get a drop on this morning by using this box at that time, but message was deleted or lost....I wondered if the gentleman yesterday might just be hunting gerbils? They do seem to be prolific in the UP nowadays! :) And wanted to add my own 2 cents ref of our favorite family stories is of my sister (19 at the time) who was driving her fiance's new car (new that day), drove into our driveway and ran into his old car with the new one! Yes, they still did get married. She is a musician/composer and has had a song featured on Click and Clack the Tapit Bros...Car Talk... all about the peculiar things people do when they drive. I'll check with her and if she has no objection I'll post the lyrics here for you. I really enjoyed it...should be good for a few chuckles.

By Bob on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:28 pm:

For those interested in Mt St Helens here is a link
to some shots I took last summer on vacation.

By NKR Mishawaka IN on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:44 pm:

Hi there from Mishawaka IN. Good pictures today and great conversation. I like the winter picture of the Laurium Manor. I probably missed it, but what city is the Manor in? Its cold, cloudy and rainy here today. Guess its Fall.

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:58 pm:

NKR... It's in Laurium.

By Troll inEagle Harbor on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:00 pm:

NKR....It's in Laurium

By FRNash/PHX, AZ on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:02 pm:

shelly/Yankee in Texas:
"I would like to know more about the Laurium Manor [Inn]."

Shelly, the easiest way to do that is to simply visit their web site:
Click here ->
The Laurium Manor Inn, and read the history on their home page. (This is not rocket science!)

Oh and by the way -- small world -- my maternal grandmother worked for the Hoatson family for about two years, circa 1908-1909, as a member of their kitchen staff, then left to get married.

By Trish in WA on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:24 pm:

the University of Washington seismology lab staff has
been recording the quakes at Mt St Helens and there
have been thousands over the last few days. If and
when it erupts they don't expect it to be a 'bad one', but
are taking precautions just in case. Trails have been
closed to hikers, and the nearby communities are on
evacuation alert. There was also a lahar evacuation
drill in the towns near Mt Rainier which is something
the county does periodically. A lahar is a term for a
rapidly flowing river of mud.

By Brad in G B on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

The owner told me during a tour of the manor
it was a funeral home from 1949 to 1979 if I remember right.

By Trish on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:32 pm:

for a Mt St Helens volcano webcam see:
it's updated every five minutes.

By B in GB on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:36 pm:

tours of the entire home were available most days of the week ..NOT including guest rooms being used that day..of course.
I assume they still have tours ..well worth it..

By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:39 pm:

Reality Check: I couldn't have said it better myself ;-)

The World Minexpo is happening right now in Las Vegas and it is simply incredible the technology that goes into mining these days; quite different than the old days of stripping a hillside using waterguns.....

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:46 pm:

Beautiful pictures all day. Thanks everyone.

By NKR Mishawaka IN on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:47 pm:

Not to change the subject but did anyone check out Sharon Smiths webcam this morning? Start at 6:17am thru 7:17am. Some beautiful shots of the moon over the harbor.

By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:00 pm:

How true that even a minor eruption can be dangerous. There was a very small eruption some years ago on a volcano in Colombia called Galeras. Several people died when the volcano sent rock and hot gasses spewing all over the place. People rarely remember the eruption because it was so small. Yet it was very dangerous.

By Ms. Katie on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:05 pm:

As you folks were sharing about the history of the beautiful Inn, reminds me that I've always felt if I had the means to buy or build my dream house I'd want to take a gracious, old home and refurbish it to it's original beauty. You can have these McMansions being built now. Old homes are like so many elderly persons we have in our lives. They have such character, grace, history and stories about them. I love to listen to their stories of past life.

By Grimace on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:13 pm:

On the way
from Marquette to the Huron Islands
Small boat
Cold May
Sleet still a flyin
Hunker down
Sing a song
Wonder what your doing!
Taste the fresh
make the fest
keep on being a yooper.

By Beverly, San Jose on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:14 pm:

California is a tremblin, and a slippin, and a slidin today. Did it shake your nerves a little?

By Susan, Fl on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:18 pm:

The Driving Song...Bonnie Whitehurst
Some drink their coffe and some read a map
Some close their eyelids and take a short nap
Some feed the baby and some change their clothes
And how about those who are picking their nose?
Some brush their teeth and some file their nails
Some sip their sodas and some read the mail
Some chomp their burgers and some gulp their
shakes, search for their fries and then slam on the brakes.
What have these folks all got in common?
What has become our nations phenomon?
You see all kinds of people with things going on The very last thing on their mind when the're driving!
Just up ahead an SUV skids
As parents reach over to clobber their kids.
Mom slaps little Johnny, Justine and Jerome
Dad screams "There'll be more of it when they get home."
Kids listen to oldies and hang fuzzy dice
Truckers call talk shows and ask for advise
Right-wingers hear Limbaugh on their radios
And long hairs take Mozart wherever they go.
It's a wonder we all stay alive Doing the things that we do when we drive. If more people focused than more would arrive But why just do one thing when you can do five....when you're driving.
A fellow pulls up to a lady and smiles
And then drives beside her for 17 miles.
You can't get around them tho hard you may try
You can kiss that important staff meeting goodbye.
Some rummage through a big pile of CDs
The stop light turns green "Oh, please go, please oh please."
Comuters are learning their Spanish and Greek
The guy next to me hasn't slept for a week!
Every moment more people strive
To be multi-taskers whenever they drive.
If more people focused than more would arrive
But why just do one thing when you can do five
When you're driving.
Lovers of books hear Tom Clancy on tape
Drunkards weave homeward in pretty bad shape
Dragsters race down the road like pigs to a trough
They yell some obsenities then flick you off.
Now here is the one thing makes everyone moan
Is there no one driving without a cell phone?
More conversation takes place in the car
Than at home, work, church, gym, schools, restaurants or bar.
Women curl lashes, guys flick their ashes
Nuns pray the rosary, girls put on hosiery
Mom plans a meal while her kid takes the wheel
There are lapton computers for internet users
Jocks (didn't get words) to keep themselves strong
And I'm so productive cause I write my songs
When I'm driving.
What does each man and woman alive
Have in common whenerver they drive
We're all multi-taskers, that's how we survive
Doing not 1 thing but 2,3,4,5 when we're driving.

If you want to listen the entire song can be heard on her website...just go to Bonnie Whitehurst. Hope you enjoyed and got a laugh or two...

By Anita from the U.P. on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:27 pm:

I LOVED Bonnie's song, it made me laugh right out loud. The dog ran over to me thinking it must be time to play!

We have all seen some unusual driving habits and this song covers most of them. Thanks for sharing it :)

By julie b., MI on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:32 pm:

Amen, Ms. Katie, amen!

By Mac on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:33 pm:

Happy 50th Birthday Danny Judnich! gotta be 50 years old to be an official collectible, and 100 years old to be an antique. You are halfway to antique, and now a bonafide collectible!

Hey Deb...maybe you could sell him on Ebay! LOL

By jim in Fort Wayne,Ind on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:11 pm:

Hello been readin this for awhile now I am looking for some land maybe 10 or 20 acres wooded near a lake any Ideas where to look?

By Joe Dase MTU Mining Engineering Student on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:11 pm:


The big deal is not nickel mining, in fact if you were to talk to most people in Mqt. County you would realize that most people have no idea or opinion about the proposed mine. The “big deal” is a small group of protestors who are misinformed, gaining popularity through scare tactics, and who have nothing better to do than spread their misinformation to the public. The companies doing the work are doing everything they can to safeguard the environment (I would know, I worked for one of the companies); my suggestion to you, and everyone else, is self-education. The following link is to a pdf file that explains sulfide mining (the type of mining that may take place there) and also explains the historic negatives and how the process has changed to be environmentally safe.

By Brent, unusually summer-like, Rochester, NY on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:14 pm:

Happy 11th annual 39th Birthday to my beautiful wife Patricia.

By just wondering on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:24 pm:

With reference being made to the Huron Mountains in todays post, got me wondering, does anyone know what became of the Russian boars at Point Abbaye.

By BinGB on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:30 pm:

Can anyone give some history on these Keweenaw homes ??

By other Hoatson house on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:34 pm:

I think the 3rd house belonged to the brother of the Laurium manor's first owner.

By Hugh on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:43 pm:

In the 70's the first house belonged to a former treasurer or some other board officer for C&H.I think it is on School St?

By Doug and Becky Grusser on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:58 pm:

take a look at pic#2 on the guest photo gallery, link to Doug and Becky Grusser, then move to 2nd page and view Big Bay pic's. It's the 1st one.

By downstate don on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:28 pm:

I worked at the Huron Mountain Club right after I
got out of high school. What a nice place to work.
I would walk to Big Bay from there. It was a long
hike. Big Bay was great back then. Wonder if any-
one else may have worked at the Huron Mt.Club?

By Dave - Colorado on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:16 pm:

Wow! what interesting and timely discussions today. My wife and I are flying to Marquette Thursday and I plan to take her to Big Bay for a sight-seeing trip. Then we are heading up to CC to spend a couple nights at the (you guessed it) Laurium Manor Inn. Has anyone ever reported experiencing any paranormal activity there? One house I lived in back in Marquette was "haunted" by the spirit of a little girl... she was never scarey, but she was very playful...

By Steve,WI on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 12:23 am:

Some time ago somebody asked for a picture of the Isle Royale Queen IV well here it is


By Steve,WI on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 12:38 am:


By flyin every day on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 01:07 am:

Loved the Laurium Inn.....Stayed over the carriage house. two bedrooms, livingroom and kitchen and bath. just about right for a hus and wife of 27 years. (could use a little more space tho) Great place.........

By FRNash/PHX, AZ on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 03:11 am:

No cell phones in cars?

Consider for a moment:
As a private pilot. I can fly climb in my aircraft and fly virtually anywhere in the country, including some of the busiest airspace in the world (e.g.: SFO, OAK, SJC, LAX, LGB, TOR, SMO, VNY, BUR, PHX, LVS) at roughly twice freeway/expressway speeds, while navigating in not just two dimensions, but three, all while:

1. remaining in constant radio contact with various FAA (and other) facilities, on two multi-channel comm radios, each allowing for one active and one "preset" frequency allowing for a quick frequency switch on a handoff from one facility to another, and

2. manipulating a similar pair of multi-frequency navigation radios with similar active and preset frequencies, switching among successive "VORs" along the route of flight, while using various off-course VORs to define checkpoints along the route.

3. shuffling through and referring to one or more of a series of airport diagrams, Standard Instrument Departure charts (SIDS), enroute navigational charts, Standard Terminal Arrival charts (STARS), and destination airport diagrams. And oh yes, possibly a full set of Visual Flight charts (Sectionals, TCA charts) as well. All this while maintaining an enroute flight log, various checklists, and scribbling clearances and other notes on a kneeboard and juggling that radio microphone, and maintaining a constant scan of the instrument panel -- not to mention keeping the eyeballs out the windows, scanning for other traffic.

Some of the separate FAA communication facilities that may be contacted on a single flight, from engine start to shutdown (for a "Visual Flight Rules (VFR) flight with flight following from FAA's enroute air traffic control facilities):
a. Flight Service station: Weather briefing (though this is best done by phone line in advance of the flight.
b. Flight Service station: Flight plan filing (ditto).
c. Departure Airport: Clearance Delivery frequency, to obtain your departure clearance and taxi routing.
d. Departure Airport: Ground Control, for clearance to move from your present position on the airport to the active runway.
e. Departure Airport: Local Control, for clearance onto the active runway when ready for departure.
f. Departure Airport: Departure Control, on handoff from the tower for the transition to the enroute phase of the flight, with possible handoffs to several different departure controllers.
g. Air Route Traffic Control (ARTCC or "Center") on handoff from Departure Control, for the enroute phase of flight, with handoffs from one "sector" controller to another, or to the next "center" as the flight progresses towards the destination.
h. Flight Service Station(s): Enroute weather conditions, and any changes in the weather situation since your initial weather briefing.
i. Destination Airport: Airport Terminal Information Service (ATIS), for recorded arrival and current weather information.
j: Destination Airport: Approach Control, on handoff from ARTCC for the transition from the enroute to the arrival phase of flight, with possible handoffs to several different approach controllers.
k. Destination Airport: Local Control, on handoff from Approach Control when within the "local control" airspace of the destination airport.
l. Destination Airport: Ground Control, upon exiting the active runway, for clearance to move to your parking place on the airport.
m. Flight Service station: Flight plan closure.

On one memorable flight in marginal weather conditions (the usual low clouds of the bay area) ferrying my aircraft from San Jose (SJC) to San Francisco (SFO) by way of Moffatt field (NUQ) and Palo Alto (PAO) and San Carlos (SQL). Due to the weather situation, the flight was at a low enough altitude to require handoff to each local controller in turn as the flight transitioned through the control zone of each airport around the west side of the bay. Once airborne, that was handoffs to three separate control towers, while listening to SFO's ATIS before a handoff to Bay approach and SFO tower in turn, all within less than 30 miles, at approximately 110 MPH. All in all that 30 mile flight involved switching among more than a dozen comm frequencies. Can you say busy?

Although a hand-held microphone would be completely legal in all this, I really do prefer a headset, thank you. Ditto for cell phones in cars.

Yet some politicians and others would tell me that I can't use a cell phone in my car!

Maybe having radios in autos should be illegal as well, along with all those other too common hazardous behaviors mentioned in the Driving Song posted at 08:18 pm yesterday by Susan, Fl. I think that hit the nail right on the head! Most of those behaviors I will not tolerate in my aircraft!

By danbury on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 05:40 am:

I don't think swerving two meters in a plane in the air really matters in general. As a motorcyclist, these two meters on the road might mean the difference between life and death to me.

And as to mines: kinda agree. You of course are able to tell me what to mine when there's nothing to mine left?

By yooper1963 on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 06:52 am:

FRNash - you are comparing apples and oranges when you made your comparison to what you have to do in the cockpit and driving.

The last time I was in a plane, I don't remember seeing multiple planes lined up side by side at the SAME altitude...

In a plane if you drift 3 to 6 feet off the flight path, BIG DEAL - try that on the interstate at rush hour and you have a BIG PROBLEM!!

True you may be used to multitasking during travel but the average person isn't..

I know one person who would be on the cell phone almost all the time while in the car, at least until she was so into a conversation that she failed to see the stoped traffic in front of her and ran into the back of a gravel hauler...

How many planes stop in mid air while you are flying your plane???

By Roudy Mi on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 07:56 am:

Not to mention your "multi tasking" in the air is related to staying in the air, not painting you toe nails or all the other things mentioned here that people do while driving that have nothing to do with driving. Then there's the level of training that is involved. Get rid of the cell phones let's not try to justify them!!

By calumet, mich on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 07:59 am:

I remembered the thomas funeral home and maynard hurlburt well, i delivered caskets to that home and i backed in the driveway, he would come out and unlock the basement door, the big dog was tied up to the same door and if you stood in one place to long he used your leg for a post, jane used to open the window from upstairs and say hello, maynard surely was quite a nice fellow

By Yooper in Indiana on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 09:07 am:

The huskey at the Thomas Funeral Home was named Tuffy if my memory is correct. Was walking with Maynard on morning to get the mower from the carrage house so that I could mow the yard and darned if I didn't get bit in the side. Some of the kids were mean as the devil to the dog as they would toss rocks and snow balls it at from the alley.

By FRNash/PHX, AZ on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 12:54 pm:

"I know one person who would be on the cell phone almost all the time while in the car, at least until she was so into a conversation that she failed to see the stoped traffic in front of her and ran into the back of a gravel hauler..."

Ahaa, so its the conversation that's the issue, not the cell phone!
Ergo we'll have to also make it a crime to have a conversation with one or more passengers while driving. Ditto for admonishing or disciplining unruly kids?

P.S. If drivers had to go through what it takes to obtain and maintain a pilot license, including regular proficiency checks, etc. Our roads would be one heckuva lot safer, and our insurance rates much lower. Anyone for that option?

By cm mi on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 05:15 pm:

i too played at the laurium inn when i was small tommy had a play house in the garage with the turning floor we even ran around the big basement this kid had everything what a sad story but true what happened to the whole family very nice people

By Alabama. on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 08:23 pm:

Yooper in Indiana is correct about TUFFY as we lived across the street. This goes back into the 40's when we played tackle football in the yard west of the home on Tamarack Street. It was a few from Tamarcak Street against the Torala's/Mukka's West of Lake Linden avenue - off the street where Jukuris Sauna was.

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 12:06 am:

And your point is? In my opinion, you cannot compare the two, or you would have all these people misbehaving on the rules, and they would make excellent pilots. They are already flying on our highways.

By Dave Sprenger, MI on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 11:42 am:

My wife Julie and I are the present owners of the Laurium Manor Inn and & Victorian Hall. It has been interesting reading the posts here about our Inn and we are very pleased that so many people have enjoyed their stay with us. The short history is as follows:

1908 Built for Thomas Hoatson Jr.
1949 Maynard & Jane Hurlbert purchased it and moved the Thomas Funeral Home from Calumet to LMI
1979 Hurlbert's son inherited , heating system fail and house froze up, destroying the heating system and all plumbing
1980 Sold to 1st antique dealer, house was stripped of stain glass and fixtures
1981 Sold to 2nd group of antique dealers, was was stripped of remaining light fixtures
1984 Foreclosed by bank
1985 Brohmans purchased
1988 Penfold purchased
1989 Julie & I purchsed the home and started renovating
1993 Julie & I purchased Norman Macdonald's home and opened it as Victorian Hall B&B
1999 Julie & I purchased (for the large sum of $1.00) an abandoned house on Lake Linden Ave and moved it to a lot next to LMI and have fixed it up as our home

We do not talk about the "incident" in 1979 because there are still family members that live in the area and we are sensitve to their feelings.

In all the years we have lived here we have never experienced anything unexplained, so I would have to dispute any reports of this place being haunted. As I tell guests that ask about it being haunted "It's not the dead ones you have to worry about"

We are always looking for information about people that worked here for the Hoatson or any old photos of our neighborhood. (FRNash, Phx, AZ please contact me) If any one may have taken photos at a funeral here we would like to see them because we do not have photos of some of the light fixtures or stain glass windows. We are always interested in anything that pertains to Laurium Manor Inn, Hoatson's, Victorian Hall, Norman Macdonald, their staff. I have also been collecting old photos of Laurium.

By Bingb on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:02 pm:

Thank you dave for the information and for saving the old houses of Laurium.Did Hoatson live in the house till 1949 then? are you still giving tours of the houses.Thanks again

By Dave Sprenger on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:30 pm:

Thomas Hoatson died in 1929 leaving an estate valued at $1.5 million even after the stock market crash. His wife Cornelia (Carrie) died in 1949. We still have self guided tours of the mansion 7 days a week from 11am to 5pm.

By kristianne, cedar springs, mi on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:39 pm:

I have to add my bit about the inn. A dear friend of ours took us to the restraunt for dinner while we were visiting and we loved the place. So cute and the staff was very pleasant. My husband especially likes it as the have great Kudahey(sp?)So everytime they are up at camp they make sure to go into Big bay to the inn for dinner. My DH and I have talked about moving there and thought BB would be wonderful for our family.

By Tom Binsack on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 06:46 pm:

back in i think 90 or 91 there was a killer rapist, loose in the Mich Tech area, he taped up his victims and videotaped the assaults, and once he left a body near the police station, what was the name of the Killer ? Sorry to bring up bad memories, I am a prison guard in Jackson, Thanks. n God Bless The UP if you know please email me at

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