Sep 10-04

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: Sep: Sep 10-04
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Photos by Paul Trautman
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Photos by Paul Trautman

Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:13 am:

When the winds are a-wailing, better not go a-sailing. You best be careful just standing there it looks like, too! I hope Paul Trautman had his camera protected against the spray of the waves in these shots. Lake Superior can get stirred up in no time at all, but it takes a good sustained wind to whip her into the frenzy you see here at the North Entry-Stanton Township Park. In the past couple weeks we've had some dandy wind storms, the type needed to make the kind of crests you could grab a surf board and go for quite a ride, with no worry of sharks either! I'm not certain about the height of the waves in these shots, because I've never quite mastered the equation they use to measure them... I know we calculate the height different than the Canadians do... can anyone give us a lesson in wave measurement?

By Cindy, St. Clair Shores, MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:16 am:

Wow, I can hear the roar and feel the spray hitting my face. That will wake you up, for sure. Nice pictures.
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By Me on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:16 am:


By Me on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:20 am:

You can measure the waves by standing next to one. Know your height and look above when it goes over.

By Scott stuck in Indiana on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:23 am:

Hello my wife and I are headed for god's country today we will be there in about 12 hours and we both can't wait UP here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!

By julie b., MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:24 am:

Looks like fun! Maybe i can try this when i'm there next Thursday! Or maybe not.........

Looking forward to being back next week! Keep those temperatures down - hope the forecast of 70's is wrong!

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:30 am:

Mornin'. We get plenty of wind here, but not enough water to get any kind of surf.

By danbury on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:34 am:

Whoa! Love that second picture.
Could anyone please offer some Beaufort numbers on these, and the current conditions?

By NKR Mishawaka IN on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:53 am:

SURF'S UP! Good morning from Mishawaka IN. I think those waves would knock me over. Great pictures.

By Therese from just below the bridge on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:59 am:

How's the Undertoad on those beaches? Waiting to slurp up a swimmer, no doubt. I was pulled out to sea by a rip tide about 20 years ago down in Florida, when the surf was high and tide going out, and swam for a long time to get back in. All I could think of was "sharks!".

What's a Beaufort number?

By Beau Beaufort on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:14 am:

On my screen the waves measure 20mm. Movement like that will agitate the agates.

By All wet on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:16 am:


As best I remember,The Beaufort number is a scale of wind velocity,from one to ten, with ten being greater than 60 mph.I always felt cheated as I been in 58 mph gales at sea, twice, but never got the braging rights of surviving a Force Ten.

So close and yet so far.

By anita, mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:34 am:

morning. great pics. I can hear the roar of the waves crashing. oh to be there. when we were kids we used to stand there in the waves to see if they could knock us over. it was a silly game but fun.

By Charlotte, Mishawaka, IN on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:43 am:

Great pictures! Good morning from a sunny Mishawaka, IN.

By Ralph on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:44 am:

Threse... I love spelling errors... they always make the sentence
funny. So what's an undertoad? Little frogs that hide in the
agates and bite your toes after your feet go numb from the cold
water?? haha.

By Gotta go south on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:47 am:

Hey yous guys comin' up from below. Did the color start yet
below the bridge? Is it hot yet downstate?

By Bob P - West Bend, WI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:53 am:

Good morniing. Looking at these photos keeps my mind focussed on how to get more free time to spend in the U.P. It truly is God's coutry.

By bek, fond du lac on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:15 am:

Good morning! Great pictures today, I spent most of my summers in that very spot. I miss the big lake. I don't dare swim in Lake Winnebago and lake Michigan is to far of a drive for a quick dip.
p.s Yes the "undertoad" during waves like these can get your heart racing. I remember feeling like I was standing in quick sand, the stamp sand doesn't offer much of hold when trying to fight your way back to shore.

By Sarah, Transplanted Yooper on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:18 am:

Wave height is measured from peak to peak, the bottom of one wave to the top of the next. The period between them is also significant. If the waves are closer together, you will have a more choppier wave.

By Kathy from Whitmore LAKE on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:24 am:

Hi. I think Therese was referring to "The World According to Garp", where the father tells the kid to watch out for the undertow but the kid hears undertoad.

Neither rip tides, nor sharks, nor bad taste in your mouth in the Big Lake, which is why I'd rather swim there than in the ocean.

By JJ MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:35 am:

Last Oct. I went camping in the U.P. - First stop was Mc Lain State Park. Enjoyed it, and as we stayed in a mini-cabin over looking the big lake, the waves, wind and rustling in the trees was more than worth the price of admission... One particular evening, as I attempted to "fire-up" my new coleman lantern (northstar - attempted to use the push ignitor to light) prior to starting a fire in the fire pit... Seemed like a huge flash would reflect on the cabin (as my back was to the lake...) After I finially got the lantern started, the flashes continued, and I went the the road overlooking the lake and was stunned to see one HUGE black cloud in the lake with lightening shooting out from it, and judging by the direction of the wind, it was approaching us. We cooked indoors that night (hotplate) yet expierenced one incredable storm, and light show. Sustained winds approaching 50 mph, and the trees bowed to mother natures aggression. The next morning the waves were as the 2nd picture above dipics, yet what is missing is the roar and the intensity of the waves crashing on the shore. As we headed toward the Porkies, we saw snow along the way. Same storm, different results, still beatiful. 3 weeks untill I return...

By Georgie MO on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:36 am:

Can't wait to get there!! Three more days and then....paradise!!!! As cool as it's been here in Missouri, I'm not ready for snow up north. Not yet anyway! Show me the colors!!! Big Mac here we come!!! Save us some pasties!!

By Dan in Fenton, MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:57 am:

These are awesome photos. They remind me of the skim-boarders we saw at South County, Rhode Island last year. They would skim down the watered shore into a breaking wave, do a mid-air flip, then land on their feet. It was fun to watch!

By Jo Ann Hancock on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:06 am:

Awesome pictures..I hope the Big Lake isn't like that today as I just heard the Ranger blow his horn to notify the bridge to rise. We will be having a beautiful day today sunny and fall temps. The best God's counntry has to offer. Join us for the Patriots Day concert this weekend in Hancock Driving Park. It should be fun and it benefits the local firemen. Have a great weekend.

By CJ in MN on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:07 am:

Where is Stanton Township Park?

By JohnM,WI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:20 am:

Back in the late 90's while I was living in Marquette, a student from NMU was trying to body surf in waves like this and lost his life when the under tow pulled him away from the beach. His friend barely survived. Both were strong swimmers and fit but those waves are stronger.

Big waves are a treat for the eye but stay on shore or in the shallows.

By Mary Ann, WY on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:26 am:

Wow! Would have been fun sitting there watching the waves. Looks just like the ocean. I tell people that have never seen them how big they are. They have no idea.

By Dave, Laurium on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:37 am:

I can remember playing in the waves of 'da big lake' when i was a kid. We used to hitchhike to Waterworks or breakies almost daily back then. Great memories of great bygone days. Oh and by the way...... FFFFOOOORRRREEEE!!!! golf

By Lori, Commerce Twp on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:51 am:

By Gotta go south on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:47 am:
Hey yous guys comin' up from below. Did the color start yet
below the bridge? Is it hot yet downstate?

To answer your questions, 'gotta go south'... it has been very cool here downstate, 60░ now, (my daughter asked if we could put the furnace on yesterday) and there is color. U.S. 23 near Hartland had color ... it does not compare to the U.P. colors tho.
Travel safe

By Something to think about on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:00 am:

What if everyone uploaded an irrelavant graphic with each message.....

By cheryl mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:02 am:

dave--------where were ya? everyone missed you & your sense of humor. Glad you're back so you can start our days with a little laugh.

By finlander, painesdale on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:06 am:

What if everyone had an ax to grind about a post? Lighten up, it's Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Candy, CA on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:11 am:

CJ, Stanton Township park is on the other side of the Portage Canal from the McLain Park breakers -- the Houghton side. It's stamp sand, unlike the beach sand on the Hancock side. You get there by taking a right turn off Memorial Drive (M-26) onto the road (don't remember the name of the road) just past Lakeshore Drive and going until it ends, past Schmidts Corner Bar and Oskar. A gorgeous drive, even if you don't want to go to the park. If you turn left at Schmidt's Corner, that road will take you to Liminga, then to Redridge, and finally to Freda. (That's left as you approach Schmidt's, right if you're coming back from Oskar way). The covered road (Arboreal Tunnel, my mom always called it) is also out that way.

By Sadie on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:14 am:

Talked to my mom. She said she was going to make a "good" pasty or die trying. I'm doomed!

By John, VA on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:17 am:

Great pic's of the big lake. Can't wait to retire and become a yearly Yooper once again! under 2 months and counting ÷┐÷

By rwa Keller, TX on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:22 am:

Love the Lake Superior shots! 3 Weeks and we will be at the cabin on the Big Lake near Freda! Hope there is still some beautiful fall color left....can't wait to get back...thanks to this site for keeping us in touch!

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:35 am:

I love these pictures. I showed the co-workers and they couldn't believe it was in Michigan!

I totally agree with finlander, LIGHTEN UP, EH?

Happy Friday!

By Joanne of WhiteLk on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:36 am:

who's poor Mom are we going to kick aroundtoday/ That was fun yesterday cause it wasnt me. I'm sure my daughter has many as one person put it yesterday child abuse stories . {right Jen}. Your Mom must have a good sense of humor Sadie. Yesterday was a form of Mom abuse.

By meaning please on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:41 am:

irrelavant ??????

By yooperwannabe/IN on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:46 am:

My husband and I were fortunate enough to serve as lighthouse keepers at Crisp Point one night last year in August. When we left north central Indiana it was a stagnant 95 degree afternoon with 100% humidity.... shorts and t-shirt weather. By the time we made it to the shores of the big lake, it was pretty obvious that the sweatshirts we threw in as an afterthought weren't quite going to cut it against that wind.....and that the overnight temps would dip to the low 40s. That night we pitched our tent in a sheltered spot among the dunes and pines, but by 10:00 p.m. we'd abandoned the tent and headed for the car for fear we'd be blown all the way back to Indiana if the bears didn't get us first. The waves looked just like they did in that picture. But as fierce as the wind and waves were, it is the stars we'll never forget...such awe-inspiring beauty!

By pungvait mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:59 am:

Jan Tucker gave a recipe for TUNA pasties on WMPL once.UGH!

By Sue, Calumet on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:17 am:


Don't you know anything about reverse psychology? You say, "Mom, whatever you do--don't put carrots, rutabagas and gristle in the pasty."

By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:25 am:

Good Morning!

Nice photos today. I always liked swimming in the big lake when the waves were kicking up.

Someone asked about Beaufort Numbers. The Beaufort Scale is a wind intensity scale developed by a British Admiral, Sir Francis Beaufort, in the early 1800s. If you are interested in this scale, see
At the bottom of this page there are photos taken on ships during the different intensity winds. The only drawback of this site is that everything in listed in knots, and I can't remember my conversion factor from knots to miles per hour.
Another nice site that has wind speeds listed in miles per hour is
Now as far as measuring wave height, it can be a little hard to describe without a nice graphic. Fortunately, the Navy is nice enough to post a good graphic at

I bought my plane tickets and booked my rental car last night. Less than a month and Captain Paul and I will be up in the Keweenaw.

Dr. Nat...for any type of conversion, such as the one above that's slipped your mind, go to, then for example, type in 10 knots in mph , the result is: 10 knots = 11.5077945 mph!

By Dave, Laurium on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:26 am:

Sadie 'food' for thought... "If the skill of the artist had failed, if she had served some ill-prepared dish, the cook was put in irons on the spot, or else was led to the triclinium (dining-room) by two henchmen and severely flogged in the presence of the guests."

By Just a fisherman on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:35 am:

Beware fellow Pasty.comers. Sadie may not be as appears and may be just setting the hook. Don't get reeled in.

Have a good day.

By Trish, WA on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:38 am:

**Happy Birthday to Kathie in SD! **

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:55 am:


We can pick on my Mom today. (cuz I know she doesn't look at this site :) Anyway- My mother is one of the worlds worst cooks! She made a goulash once that our dog wouldn't even touch.

When the microwave came out, she was so happy. Everything was cooked in the microwave! Scrambled Eggs, roasts, eggs on toast, etc..

She once made this awful meal for my boyfriend:
Hamburger, onions, summer squash, and zuchinni, salt and pepper, microwaved for who knows how long. I guess she thought the grease would microwave away.. It was disgusting. Love her dearly, but when she comes to visit, I hide the microwave!

By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:59 am:

Pasty cam staff guy who writes in blue:
Thanks for the conversion information. I mostly work with the metric system, so when I step out of that known realm, I usually forget all the conversion factors. Thanks for the info!

Hmm...what makes you think I'm a guy?!! ;->

By finlander, painesdale on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:01 pm:

1 knot is 1.150779 mph, and 1 mile is 0.8689741 nautical miles.

By Dave - Colorado on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:03 pm:

To convert knots to miles per hour mulitply the value in knots by 1.1508 to get mph... Great photos today! Those waves look like they are running about 5 to 8 feet... maybe a bit less...

By Gary, CO on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:13 pm:

Regarding alterations of the one and only True Pasty: This is still a free country (USA) and you can make whatever changes to the original recipe you want, but for heaven's sake don't call it a "Pasty." Sometimes it just might be appropriate to slowly and clearly say to these people, "Step away from the kitchen and nobody gets hurt."

By . on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:24 pm:


I'm tinkin' dat da crust is sorta like makin' biscuits or pie crust so don't over mix the dough. Be sure to use unsalted butter (if you even use butter) and keep it sorta dry. I haven't made pasties myself so it's only a guess. Also, for my taste, put in lotsa onions! lol...cough, cough.

Re: todays shots.....Beware the dreaded Undertoad!!

Candy in CA....

TY for the directions to the park. I allus seem to end up on the other side o' the shipping canal at McLain.

For the folks inquiring 'bout the color in Troll land: The swamp maples are turning nicely here, but real color won't peak in the Kalkaska county highlands till Oct 10th (+ or - 3 days.) The asters and goldenrod are in full flower. Also, the orioles left this week for places south.Hummingbirds still hangin' on.

By Mary, Lemoore CA on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:34 pm:

Showed my boss the pics. He said you can only surf on the ocean and that lakes don't get waves that big. (He's from eastern Oregon). I told him they could get bigger.

I was hoping for big waves when we home for vacation last month. The weather didn't turn bad enough until the day we left.

Miss the nice cool days we had back there during our vacation. It is supposed to be 103 today in the California central valley. Can't wait until fall.

You folks on the east coast want to pipe some water our way?

By Jiggs in California on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:35 pm:

Does anyone else have a stuck lift bridge pic? Mine's been on 9/6/04, 15:44 since Monday. I noticed it when the shadows were going the wrong way Tuesday morning.

By PFD, MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:48 pm:

Update on Marine Cpl. Nanue R. Houle. He arrived home in the CC with his parents sometime early this morning. Everyone is so relieved he is home safe and sound. His wounds will take time to heal but being home under the loving care of his parents and other relatives is just what he needs at this time.

By Roudy Mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 01:13 pm:

Colman stoves being mentioned earlier brings this to mind.
A skydiver who is headed Earth ward was having a problem with his 'chute. He looked down and saw someone rising toward him. As they drew near each other the sky diver shouted out "Do you know anything about parachutes?" The other fellow shouted back" No;do you know anything about colman stoves?"

By finlander, painesdale on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 01:36 pm:

Oh they can and they do - surf the big lake that is. Check it out:

By Hilary IN school year UP native on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:01 pm:

Welcome home, Nanue! And best wishes for a speedy recovery!


By Yooper in Indiana on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:07 pm:

those waves bring back many memories,,,,I use to love to get out on the lake at Bete Grise with our 14' cedar strip boat and try to ride the crest of the waves. Sometimes we were not too lucky as we would swamp on the sand bar and then would have a devil of time get the boat to shore to dump the water out of it. Must have had a little dare devil in me, eh!

By Karl from Cadillac on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:18 pm:

Nice pic's, I love the "Big Lake"! How are the colors? I expect to be headed that way about the end of the month, unless the colors are comming on strong, I will come early! I like to go between Marqutte and Copper Harbor and over as far as Ontonagon.

By Kathy from Whitmore Lake on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:25 pm:

To Mary from Lenmore: remind your boss that the Great Lakes in fact make big enough waves to sink ore freighters; 30 foot high if I remember right from the book "Great Lakes Shipwrecks and Survivals". Of course, that's offshore.

By Roudy Mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:04 pm:

Should note the lakes water temp was 51.8 at the mid lake buoy at 12:50 today. Cool!

By Traditions shopper on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:10 pm:

Congratulations to Barb Heinonen of Traditions on a very successful "going out of business" sale, and best wishes to her and Bill for a great retirement.

By Joanne of White lk on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:12 pm:

Did that dish chase your boyfriend away/ I've made some things my kids cried over.

By Froggie on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:17 pm:

What kind of a toad is an (Undertoad). Is that the slippery horned one that bites and lives in Lake Superior?

By WI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:18 pm:

Check out the airport webcam

By JB, Troll on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:22 pm:

Looks like a 737....

Airport Cam

By me on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:27 pm:

N249TR - 1981 737-2K5 registered to Wells Fargo.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:28 pm:

It didn't chase him away. :) But he just about died trying to be polite and eat the food on his plate! I think he drank alot of milk with it!! :0)

By me, again on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:39 pm:

N249TR is part of the "Pace Airlines" charter fleet. Maybe Wells Fargo owns it, but Pace operates it?

By Bob-b, Hubbell on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:46 pm:

Hello and good day to you(The Sandstone Princess), how about a first name so i can look in our year book under the band members,give me a hint.

By Jeff K on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:02 pm:

Surfs up in Marquette - look closely and you'll seen an official Yooper surfer !

surfs up

By Love the UP and Pasties on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:49 pm:

Waaay coool!! Great pictures and really enjoyed all the 'talkin' on the site today!

I guess Tuna in a 'Pasty' is really Fish Pie, and I agree, yuck!

By in the know on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:52 pm:

Pace may operate - did ya know the owner of Pace is the same as the owner of HOOTERS? Pace also charters for profesional athletic teams amongst others.

By Dale B, Lansing MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:53 pm:

I never surfed the big lake, but did swim in it a few times during my 5 years at Da Tech. The most memorable was April 19, 1987. It was Easter Sunday, and due to a very unusual weather pattern the air temerature was 85 degrees! We just had to go out to McClain State Park and barbecue! The beer bottles got put in a nylon duffle bag, we walked out about 30 feet along an old deadfall tree, and lowered it into the lake to keep cold. Unfortunately, the rope that we used to haul it out broke (or came untied, I don't recall which). I was the lucky soul who got to wade chest-deep into the icy cold water to retrieve the brewskis! I must have shivered for 20 minutes after getting out of the water. No real idea of the actual lake temperature, but it was darn cold! Later on in the day one of the guys actually went for a fairly lengthy swim, although my trip out for the beer was enough for me. A rare spring day in the UP, indeed!

By downstate don on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:56 pm:

Good Afternoon all trolls and Yoopers. Nice weather here downstate. Sunny and about 75 degrees. Looks like a nice weekend ahead too. Will
be heading to the Carry Nation Festival in Holly
this weekend.

By Leslie at the Northern Lights Lodge - Cadillac, MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:58 pm:

Hi To Fellow Cadillacian Karl!

Wow, those Big Lake waves are awesome... I've never even considered that those waves were 'surfable'! Way cool! BUT BE CAREFUL! you surely don't want the 'undertoad' to getcha! I would think a wetsuit is a must for surfing the Big Lake!

By me on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:11 pm:

those waves are 7-10 waves if thast from monady

By walter p trampa on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

great pictures H20 looks cold however

By . on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:28 pm:

Bet there's a walleye fisherperson, or two, on that 737. PWC tourney is this weekend.

By Dennis, Florida on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:21 pm:

Power just turned on after going out Saturday night around 10 from the Hurricane.
Okeechobee looks like someone dropped on bomb on it.
When we moved down here twenty years ago from the UP I thought I would never cut another stick of wood, but the storm proved me wrong. I have enough wood cut up from fallen trees to heat our cabin on Gulliver Lake for another twenty years.
Ad so it goes.


By Grimace on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:36 pm:

The great wind came and swept Dan away to join
those that know the universe, give up the quest for the material things, enjoy the day,love thy neighbor, balance is everything!

By walter p tampa on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:42 pm:

down state don have a beer for me

By downstate don on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:50 pm:

walterp/Tampa; Will are things in Tampa?
Do you have your power? Are you going to be safe
from Ivan? Have you heard anything from Karen in
Tampa? Hope she is okay. Haven't heard from her in

By J, Oregon on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:51 pm:

FYI - I found a really wonderful site for measurement conversions from just about anything to almost everything else.

By paul trautman on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:54 pm:

The backlight of these photos made easy nonperson
photos. It was blowing hard. No undertoad was noted as the water was forced into the V of the breakwall. It was a powerful day .

By Charlie at Pasty Central on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:45 pm:

For our high school football fans, Houghton and Ironwood are battling in the first quarter on the live stream from Pasty.NET

By flyin tomorrow for sure.... on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:00 pm:

I think almost all of us did 5 years at da Tech. If it wasn/t for Vietnam, I would have probably left sooner....and I still got drafted...Oh Well..
Who said life would not be interesting...

Got married on the beach at McClain......and drank a few in years previous at the old CG Station. Since today is my 27th wedding anniversary, I guess it worked.......

Thanks to da UP and it's wonderful people. The people who love to live there, and the people who loved living there. We are all the same....

Tomorrow is Dally in the Alley in inner city Detroit....We will miss most of you..........

By Sadie Pierson on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:25 pm:

I want to thank all of you who tried to help me, and I feel sorry for those who made fun of me. I am only a kid, and I do not carry my birth certificate around with me. My mom always taught me to stick up for myself, and sometimes it has not been easy. Sadie

By Amber, Lake County on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:53 pm:

My mother fed us dinner and dessert at the same time. Hot dogs cut up into lemon jello.

By Emma, Upper Peninsula on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:17 pm:

Not an editorial but an observation. Since when are we locals so special that we cannot take the word of a person be they an adult or child. We say we welcome them with open arms - but do we really? Goodness - they talk like we do, they act (no that is the wrong word)like we do, walk, think, study, cry, laugh, etc. as we do. So, what makes us better, than those who were not born here? I think that a lot of you should think before you let your fingers do the walking.

By Therese, MI on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:20 pm:

Actually my comment early this morning before work wasn't a misspelling. Didn't everyone call them 'undertoads' when they were young? It helped Mom and Dad keep us out of the water when the waves were big by having us envision being pulled under by a great sticky tongue. A few years back I painted on a sweatshirt a large frog mouth across the midriff and a swimmer at the top, and a sign that said "No Swimming Today: Undertoad". You know, I could probably sell those.....

My Mom is a great cook, made sukiyaki, killer spaghetti sauce and goulash (basically any mess of meat, onions and tomatoes). Now she lets us do the cooking. I owe her another 7,032 dinners, so I hope she plans on living to a hundred.

By Joey, Olympia., WA on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:21 pm:

To Sadie,

I don't think that anyone intentionally made fun of you-we were feeling your pain. And you are right-if we did pick on a kid...well, that's just wrong. So I will be the first to offer an apology if anything that I said offended you. I think that most of us enjoyed your Mom visiting the we have enjoyed your company. And you are right on another's not "who" you are-it really is all about "who you are". Okay-a peace offering..give your Mom this crust recipe (it's a start) ;) 6 cups flour, 1 cup crisco-in lieu of lard, apx 1 & 1/4 cup water (you have to do the water by feel -add 1 full cup first and the rest "to feel". I have left out the salt. Get in there and mix it up with your hands until it feels nice and smooshy-very pliable and soft. If it feels too dry-add more Crisco or water...this is a by feel thing. Best of luck Sadie

By Bob tiura on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:23 pm:

pungvait mi, you must be kidding, no one in their right mind would put tuna in a pasty! I might be tempted by a sardine sandwich, with mustard. By the way, I just bought my first bottle of Toivo and Eino's Pasty Sauce today at Meijer in Royal Oak. I will give it a try and a a review tomorrow.

By Louise in Hancock on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:31 pm:

It was 80 today and we had a chance to spend some time at Calumet Waterworks looking for agates. Have to make the most of these last remaining warm days. Lake was calm but not much in the way of colors in the trees. Walked to Hungarian Falls last evening and very few colored leaves.

By Joey, Olympia, WA on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:37 pm:

More thoughts to Sadie,

I have been thinking about the filling and what you could suggest- how about sauteeing the Potobellos in lieu of beef (1 pound), (and I always add ground pork to mine-but have no suitable substitute ideas there) apx 6 medium potatoes-diced, 1 onion-chopped, and either 1 rutabaga-diced or just a guess here about 3-4 carrots diced. And-I put a slice of butter on top of my filling before I seal the crust up. Personally I use a mix of milk & water around the edge-then brush the crust with the same while they are cooking. Just a thought trying to save you from pasty trauma.

By mtu alumni, mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:39 pm:

I think its great to see the webcams of the Bridge and especially the Airport Cam. Who's in charge of the airport now? The added flight is a great bonus. There are also webcams of MTU at Check out the alumni page.

By Karen... on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:40 pm:

downstate don, we're doing well...Hope all is well in the mitten state. Wish I was there having a good pasty and enjoying some tranquility. The cars are lined up at the gas stations fifteen deep. Who knows what tomorrow's going to bring?!

By UP pt..special thanks for use of computer. my new pasty friend on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:46 pm:

For Christmas, I received a humidifier and a dehumidifier, log splitter, and wrench. I can't be late. I hope I can come back later and sneak in a message. So many thoughts and with so much on my mind, it's so hard to sort it all out. I long for the days when I can do the things I loved most in this world. Life sure can be hard and throw its curve balls at ya. When I am back out in the woods... I will become one with nature. Fish in a stream. To feel the crisp autumn nights and the smell of the woods, it is so intoxicating. I want to run through the woods and sing out loud. I want to scream. I just don't know yet. I do not ask for much. I am a simple man. I am caring. I am getting sleepy. Sorry, but I must leave now. Good day
Warm Regards,

By Not downstate! on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:50 pm:

Downstate Don...have a great time at Carry Nation Festival in Holly this weekend. I'll be loud and proud at the LAKES football game tomorrow!

By BobTiura, Michigan on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:21 pm:

I will be listening to the MTU game at 1:00 PM.. I predict that both MTU and GVSU will be undefeated for the "Bash at the Bighouse" on November 6th.

This could be for the conference title and the highest ranking for the Division II playoffs.

Be at U of M Stadium for the game to break the division II attendance record.

By downstate don on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:23 pm:

Not downstate and Karen; Go Lakes! Go Lakes! Karen, I'll be hoping for the best for you this
comming week and hope you don't have to go through
any more turmoil. I'm going to be ordering some
pasties in the next few days. I'll let you know how they are. Take care.

By billy bob,mi on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:03 pm:

Speaking of Jan Tucker, I noticed she was no longer on wmpl when I was up in Eagle River this summer. Is she off the radio for good, or just taking a break?

By Color me suspicious on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:09 pm:

Didn't we just go through this "weird pasty" recipes a month or so ago with someone (Elvira?)

Sounds like the same kind of troll to me, especially the tear jerker, "I'm a kid and you hurt my feelings" post.

Because it's on the internet doesn't make it true.

By Auntie Lori on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:35 pm:

WELCOME HOME MARINE CPL NANUE BOB HOULE! Rest up and heal... Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the hard work and sacrifices you took for our country. I am so proud of you!

By Susan, Fl on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:35 pm:

Dave from Laurium....just got in to work (11:00 - 7:00) and into Past e mail ....always the first thing up! Clearwater is in the Tampa Bay area...Pinellas county...just north of St Petersburg. Doesn't look any better tonight that last night, but things can change between now and then. We're lucky enough not to be in a flood or evacuation zone and have a well built home. Good thing too, as I'm in law enforcement and couldn't leave if I wanted to! Thanks for all the good wishes. Will try to keep folks posted as to conditions here, but there are several other pasty cammers who do a good job at that as well. Will try to stay high and dry...:) Thanks again.

By Ken and Mimi from da UP on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:40 pm:

With waves like tonight's pix, the Devil's Washtub really gets worked up. And noisey, too!
When you're sailing the big boats on Lake Superior and the waves are washing over the fantail, that's impressive!

By Jim, Minn on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:47 pm:

billy bob; Jan Tucker can be heard on WUPY 101.1

By downstate don on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:50 pm:

Good luck to Nanue Houle, we are happy to have you
home safe and sound. We all appriciate your efforts and are sorry about your injuries. You are
in our thoughts and prayers. Get Well Soon. We love you!

By Idea guy on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:54 pm:

Sadie try cut up Bocca Burger potato onion turnip etc..I know some vegans who tolerate it.

By Idea Guy on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:59 pm:

OH It will need a lot of catsup on top.....

By Andytofu Sedar Bay on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 02:13 am:

Sadie, if Mom is vegetarian or vegetarian "wanna be", perhaps she'd like to try this recipe for meat substitute: Freeze one pound of hard tofu for about a week or so. Then thaw and drain well, pressing tofu block often to release liquid. After well drained, crumble to resemble ground beef. Mix crumbled tofu with onion powder, garlic powder, and Worchestshire sauce. Place in 9x13 baking pan and bake in 325░ oven, turning every 20 minutes or so, until light brown. Dried tofu saves well without refrigeration. And when reconstituting for use as ground beef for chili or spaghetti sauce (can't guarantee as meat replacement in pasty), just take a cup of the dried tofu, add 1 cup warm water which, when absorbed, has consistency of ground beef. Haven't ever tried this with pasty, but it certainly works well with chili and spaghetti sauce.

Best wishes to you and Mom. A▓

By stumped? on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:52 am:

Who is Sadie? On other posts she's traveled the world, and in this post she's a child? Is it one and the same? or two different Sadies? Furthermore, a pasty without bona fide ingredients simply is NOT a pasty. There is no such thing as modifying a pasty. If it has hot sauce and peppers and tuna, it's not a pasty.

By stumped again? on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:54 am:

Tofu, in a pasty? You are not a yooper!

Actually, neither are pasties, they're Cornish in origin! :->

By really stumped on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 10:03 am:

I know that pasties are Cornish in origin. What are they called if not a pasty? What do you mean by "Actually, neither are pasties, they're Cornish in origin!"? What's "neither?"

neither: (adverb) - similarly not : also not
My meaning was this..the person you were addressing may not be a yooper, but neither is a pasty a yooper, since it's Cornish in origin.

By yooper66 on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 10:35 am:

Hmmmmm! Maybe Sadie is actually "Elvira" operating under a pseudonym to throw us off track.... sm

By chef on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 11:06 am:

"Pasty" refers to a "paste" like dough or paste colored crust .The ingredients can be anything ..It will not be a "cornish pasty" perhaps but a pasty none the less...

By I dunno ..but on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 11:08 am:

Elvira does have a daughter Sadie ..HMM

By Bartlby on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 12:01 pm:

NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. pasĚties
Chiefly British A pie or turnover, especially one filled with seasoned meat or fish.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English pastey, from Old French paste, from Vulgar Latin *pasttum, from Late Latin pasta, paste. See paste1.

By Dave of Mohawk on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 12:25 am:

Waves are measured from the bottom of the trough to the top of the crest. The data bouys on Lake Superior will give wave heights; although they are an average and not a maximum.

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