It's not often that Lake Superior takes a back seat when it comes to beautiful scenery, but with this shot from Roger Kangas, it seems like she has. Well, maybe not a back seat, but a background at least. With the help of the sun, Roger has managed to capture the brilliance in the color of these leaves, along with exposing the details of their design. It's hard to tell from the angle of the photo, but I'm guessing these are red maple leaves. As much cold weather as we've been having lately here in the U.P., it's already beginning to feel like fall.

Great conversation about old phone numbers on yesterday's Cam. Back in the Pasty Cam Archives I found this vintage phonebook cover which announced the arrival of 'modern' seven digit dialing:

Good Morning to all. Have a great day!

Wow and it is only 5:35 a.m. here in Michigan's CST zone

Good Morning all. How I would love to leaf through that old 1966 phone book and read the entries.

We have featured some old yellow page ads in the past here on the Pasty Cam. Here are a couple of examples:

Furnaces are running across much of the U.P. this morning


Notice the party line on evenings and weekends

Good morning everyone! Have a great day

Couldn't believe how good a fire in the fireplace felt yesterday afternoon .... A fire in July, who would believe it?

Smelling wood smoke while pumping gas at the Mohawk Mobil, assured me that I wasn't the only chilly one.

we're just about ready to leave for 5 mile point, as soon as the
cat shows up. yup, she comes with us. good to read about the
bears in the bushes, will take it a little easier on the way this
time. son and all his family are 36 hours behind us, so we'll have
camp open already. just remember: an increase in latitude will
result in an increase in attitude (or should i say improvement).

also: mother nature always bats last, and she's never lost a
game.

Mary Drew, enjoyed our chat on the Fourth thanks for taking the time. Back in Ca now. Already miss the warm and frendly people from the copper country. Have a great day.

Sure, read the old phone book, if you like. Lots of characters, - no plot!

Nice photo again today. Also enjoyed the old phone book - When life was more simpler. Sure wish I could get to the UP this summer as it would be so nice to be by the lakes. I was also wishing I could have been at the PastyFest even in the rain. Maybe next year.

Marsha of Aura: Maija said she met you. Who else did you meet? I got there late and only met Charlie. Got a couple of delicious pastys and drove off in a cloud of rain.

it can't feel like fall until we've had summer!

It was such a lovely day in the UP on July 2nd! Everyone I spoke to while traveling from Lake Linden to Copper Harbor mentioned it finally felt like summer and then the bottom fell out. We watched the fireworks in Copper Harbor and the temp was 47 degrees. Doesn't matter what the weather is in the UP - it is a gift just to be there.

WE had a wonderful time in Lake Linden for the all School reunion over the fourth. Lake Linden lucked out with the weather on the 3rd when they had all of their Holiday celebrations. The cold and rain did not stop us from having a great time but I felt sorry for all of the people at Pasty Fest on Sunday when it rained all day. Hope you all still had a great time.

I always look forward to the picture of the day. Between my Pasty-Cam calendar and the daily pictures I start my day with northern Michigan beauty and splendor!

Those look like sumac leaves to me. But hey, what do I know? Way too early for autumn colors...you know what trails behind them! Snow!!

shivering yooper: You've had summer! July 4 has come and gone. When I grew up in Hubbell there were only two seasons...winter and July 4.

LarryK: Shovel and Swat. (S&S)

Quick, Quick !!! Run outside....It has stopped raining for now! ( More on the way I hear ) Ahhh...the joy !

Roudy Mi: A coal shovel was ideal for both jobs.

I know that it rained but did anyone besides Charlie take any pics at the Pasty Fest? Didn't see any links posted, only the four pics on the daily discussion page.

Good Morning all!
I so enjoy linking to Pasty net to start my day.
I have vague memories of receiving our seven digit number growing up under the bridge in St. Clair Shores.

Just wanted you to be aware that the Bridge Cam finally caught a
big boat going under the bridge today at 12:15 pm.

Bridge Going Up

Look quick!! The bridge is up and a tug going under.

aw missed it again!!

DARN! I missed it, too! :(

Roudy: It was nice meeting Maija, Charlie, and also Becky of Lansing. Was hoping to see you! I tried in advance to get people to declare a common time that all of us pasty cammers could meet, to no avail. Maybe next year. Also spent a lot of time talking with the cinematographers who are doing the 1911 documentary. Had our heater going at least part of each night, but didn't mind a bit. I enjoy all of Lake Superior's moods and have a great view from Aura!

So did anyone up there see the 1913 massacre preview at the calumet theatre ..any thoughts.

Am really enjoying the chat about phone numbers in the "good old days". I grew up in Oscoda County, and we had only party lines until quite a while after World War II. When we moved to NJ, in 1960, calling family back home was an ordeal; the operators had to handle the calls, and we went through trunk lines, etc. Hard to imagine now, when we can pick up the phone and talk to people in England, Tokyo, etc. with no problem. Thanks for reminding me that the good old days weren't always good!

Dave, Laurium-

Were you first and second in line with your disguise to get your free pasty on the 4th.
:)

I was the guy with the hat on.....:)

Wowza! Seems like this has to be one of the coolest summers in recent memory. 48 degrees yesterday at noon in Houghton. No matter. I'll be up there in two weeks, warm or cold. The U.P. is still the best place to sooth the mind and recharge the soul.

please I beg you send all that cold air down here. I am going crazy in all this heat. it has been in the upper 90's all week. so box up the cold and send it to North Carolina for me.

Oh sure, brave talk down there in NC.....Where are you in winter when we have an entire glacier we would like to ship out of here ...anywhere. LOL

I would love to take it, I miss the snow.

Hi all, here is a link to a few pics I took at Pastyfest. It would have been great if the sun was present, but it still was a great time.
http://pasty.com/pcam/albup14

Did anyone take any pictures in Ahmeek or Mohawk on the 4th? Anyone know of a link to any?

Have been haveing trouble with our computer, sure
have missed ALL the talks and the GREAT pictures!!

HAVE been off line for a WHOLE WEEK!! Sure did need this beautiful PICTURE.

Talking about rain , seems like lower UP IS IN A
WATERFALL!! Especialy JACKSON & Napoleon, Thats
near MIS SPEEDWAY. BUT i'll take the rain over the
SNOW, Any time.

Have a GREAT EVENING!!

Dinah

Beautiful picture. I looked over all the recipes that Dave of Laurium was so kind to lead me to. Pasty Central, do you think tofu and mushrooms could be substituted for a meat product. What a wonderful idea for a picnic.

Tofu and mushrooms have no room in a pasty, it would be sacreligious.

UP dreaming from IL, "Doesn't matter what the weather is in the UP - it is a gift just to be there." Um, I'm thinking you should have specified that it doesn't matter to YOU, who are visiting, because it sure as heck matters to us who live here what the weather is!! We get little sun in the winter, so our summers are actually precious, and most of us want the most sunshine we can get. So when we have a cold and rainy summer, it truly can be a bummer. I'm not typing this in anger or even complaining, I just wanted you to get a different perspective, that of a Yooper. The forecast looks pretty good for the weekend, so we can all be grateful and cheery! For really good forecasts, check out johndee.com

Charlie, thanks for the free pasty! I couldn't remember if I thanked you at the booth or not. I had to laugh at the lack of umbrellas. I don't even think I have one. Most Yoopers, if we have one, couldn't tell you where it is because we usually have the good sense to stay out of the rain!!!

A picture like that makes you think of FALL.

Today's photo reminds me of Johnny Carson claiming that his grandmother was so morbid (HOW MORBID WAS SHE!!??) that she liked to pass the time on Sundays by reading the obituaries and then crossing out the names in the phone book.

Cold down state today too!

Elvira here is a veggie recipe W mushrooms....I was the guy who mentioned .. frozen pie crust so I have already crossed the line ..Please forgive ALL.
http://www.freelists.org/archives/cinci_dads/08-2001/msg00006.html

Single guy (veggie), You know, you guys are great. Do you think I could use Filo dough for the crust, for a no fat/low carb pasty?

Eyes that look like heaven, lips like sherry wine
That girl can sure enough make my little light shine
I get a funny feelin' up and down my spine
'Cause I know that my Elvira's mine

So I'm singin'
Elvira, Elvira
My heart's on fire Elvira
Giddy Up Oom Poppa Omm Poppa Mow Mow
Giddy Up Oom Poppa Omm Poppa Mow Mow
Heigh-ho Silver, away

courtesy of 'The Oak Ridge Boys'

Elvira wrote:

"I looked over all the recipes that Dave of Laurium was so kind to lead me to. Pasty Central, do you think tofu and mushrooms could be substituted for a meat product."

No disrepect intended, but does anyone else suspect that this might be someone pulling our leg?

If you are sincere, Elvira, I suggest that you order some pastys so you can find out what they *should* taste like. Otherwise, you can make them with tofu, turtle, or turpentine. How would you know if it is good or not?

Oh, and in my humble opinion, if you substitute those things for real meat, you don't have a pasty. You should call it something else, (tofu pie?)


regards,

Carl: I thought someone was 'pulling our leg' yesterday after Elviras first post. Sorry, do not want to start anything, just my honest opinion.

does anyone have pictures of the Lake Linden 4th of July parade...Would love to see some.

CaK i agree with you! elvira who are you?

Oh please --- if you are afraid to eat an artery clogging fat building REAL pasty then do the "right" thing and munch on a celery stalk. ;>)

Pasties are not for sissies!

I think we may have a Corny Pasty among us.

You could wash that tofu and mushroom pasty down with a bottle of Evian water.

To Yoper want a be, I have some photos of the Lake Linden parade in my albums on pasty cam. I still have more to upload later. Check the photographer links.

Any 4th of July pics from Dollar Bay? Hoping so... Thanks.

I did not know that I NEEDED TO HAVE QUALIFICATIONS to enter this site. I am who I say I am. I am an entertainer. It takes a great deal to maintain my figure. It is a job onto itself. I am a vegetarian. Therefore, my questions in substitutions (vegan) I am an amimal rights activist. I belong to FARM (Farm Animal Reform Movement) {do not eat red meat for one day of your life} We receive most of our financial support from the organic and natural food industry. Is there something else you wish to know? If I buy your pastys, they will be given to meat eaters. Spell EVIAN backwords: Naive! If you have a mind to attend, I will be performing at Knott's Berry Farm around Halloween!

Is this how I would be treated if I came to your Beloved God's Country? Shame

I grew up on dem old fashioned pasties, and I let the "Lard into my Heart"! Ma n Gramma sure knew how to cook 'em up. But now I try to avoid eating things that had faces, and I've had some pretty good veggie pasties from Sheldon Bakery in Houghton. They assured me they used vegetable shortening (prob'ly still hydrogenated, but hopefully not cottonseed), and it's just regular pasty filling but no dead animals. I heard they dint even wanna cross the line so much as to put broccoli in 'em! Gonna eat some more soon, 3 weeks n counting... can't wait to get up there n freeze my buns, been over 100 here in the cowburnt desert everyday since fortjuly!

Elvira, please don't name your "creation" a pasty!

Elvira, welcome to pasty.com. We all share a common
love of the Copper Country. Some of us live here,
others were born here and have moved to other necks
of the woods. Some of us have ancestors who settled
here, and then there are those who've discovered the
area through their travels. When you come to the UP,
and you're feeling you're at the end of the road and you
need a rest, be assured that Yoopers will be warm and
hospitable.

Elvira, create what you want, call it what you want, but it would no longer be a pasty, so please call it something else.

Don't quite understand how one can call something a pasty if it isn't a pasty. Finnish and Cornish recipes and definitions are out there. Seems to me if it doesn't fit the definition or recipe,it isn't a pasty and should have a different name.

you should be able to order the pasties from Pasty,com without meat at least ..WELL when the start taking orders again around Labor day..they are the very best!!Broccoli and cheese pasties are sold here in wisconsin

Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Definition: \Pas"ty, a.
Like paste, as in color, softness, stickness. ``A pasty
complexion.'' --G. Eliot.


\Pas"ty, n.; pl. {Pasties}. [OF. past['e], F. p[^a]t['e].
See {Paste}, and cf. {Patty}.]
A pie consisting {{{{usually}}} of meat wholly surrounded with a
crust made of a sheet of paste, and often baked without a
dish; a meat pie. ``If ye pinch me like a pasty.'' --Shak.
``Apple pasties.'' --Dickens.

http://www.hu.mtu.edu/vup/pasty/recipes.htm even the Michigan tech site lists a few odd ones like rice Pasties....Not that it is right ..

I would pass on the mackeral or date pasty..YUK

Doesn't Pasty really refer to the type of crust..I often heard em called pasty PIES up on the range.To me that could very well mean almost anything you have on hand with a pasty crust around it..

they call them 'oggies' in Cornwall-
The European Union says if it's not baked in Cornwall,
it cannot be called a Cornish Pasty.

Funny posts tonight.........thanks for the laughs :)

"Elvira" asked: " Is this how I would be treated if I came to your Beloved God's Country? Shame".

Depends on how you act if you came here. You see, Pasty is special to the Copper Country and the U.P. in general. You are corresponding on a web site owned and operated by *Pasty.com*.

You asked about our pasty, what it is, how to you make them. Then you start asking about changing the recipe, substituting the main ingredient-meat, for something else.

Did you ever think that your comments about changing the ingredients might be considered by some to be somewhat rude in light of the help people here have given you in answering your questions. How would we know what tofu or Filo would taste like? We don't use that stuff in making pasty.

In summary, as many others said, and again, no disrespect, make whatever you want, but don't call your creations a pasty.

End of my comments on this. (I think this is still somebody "funnin'" with us)

regards,

I have to agree with Pasty Lover;
This is way too funny tonight.

Aloha!

yeah this is!!

To Elvira:

I knew it! Welcome to Pasty Central. Kick back and hang out on the website for awhile-by the time you get to the UP I bet you have a whole new "family" of friends to come home to. Keep in mind that for most of us raised in the UP pasties are tradition...but maybe you could call yours "Newstys"? ;) I make pastys fairly often-perhaps filo would be okay with the veggy substitute? I had never really thought about that. Also keep in mind that there are many other non-meat recipes pretty special to our area-Pova Tietsa (sp) and Thimbleberry jam to name a few. I bet collectively we could come up with a bunch of recipes to make your mouth water without the meat.

http://www.waitrose.com/food_drink/wfi/foodissues/campaigns/0105038.asp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1048614.stm
yes the cornish and the EU are serious about the "cornish pasty".and so are we.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/405000/video/_407716_bilton1pm_vi.ram
BBC video that mentions Michigans love of the cornish pasty

I think Elvira was truthful. Look at what I found.

http://www.mouseplanet.com/beyond/bd010829.htm

Look to the right - it mentions Knotts Berry Farm.

Elvira is that you??

If so, you will have alot of men admirers on this site.


Loved the posts tonight. Below was the one that had me in tears.

--by:pastylover on Thursday, July 8, 2004 - 10:27 pm:
Elvira, please don't name your "creation" a pasty! --


Good Nite from da U.P.

to: Ahmeek Cliff Dweller
I do apologize and stand corrected. I hope you understand my perspective - that for ME any day in the UP is a gift since it is such a special place. I spent many summer vacations in the UP as a kid and have family up there as well. I will say a prayer that you will get some summer weather - sun and warmth. After the winters full of cold and snow that you endure, you deserve it!

I nominate Elvira as our new Pasty Poster Girl! Anyone second the nomination?

Nah...I think a good ol' fashioned yooper gal would be better. Who better to represent the good ol' pasty.

I think Elvira will need to wear a dickie if she visits the
UP in the winter.

Holy Wah!!!
What a night!! You people take things way to seriously!!! This is funny to read and just imagine people getting all bent out of shape on a pasty!! Play nice little children!!!

The whole conversation was crazy. If you take a Pasty and make it however you would like it to be, then it wouldn't be a Pasty, now would it!?

Yes but it would not be a CORNISH OR EVEN A FINNISH pasty but a pasty just different..NEXT QUESTION turnips or no turnips??

larryk, nh is absolutely correct. If it's something else, it isn't a Pasty! (Similar, but not.) The cookin' is wonderful in NH. You can't beat it.....Gorham is beautiful.....

Put the turnips in........if it tastes good, just do it.

To mark from kaleva who wrote: "Holy Wah!!!
What a night!! You people take things way to seriously!!

You're sure that we were all being serious?

--snicker--

Hello from the Northwest!

Changing any of the ingredients of a Pasty is like using gravy instead of Ketchup.

Gliderrider: I checked out your photos and, with distinction, smelled pasties mixed in with that of the rain. A comforting combination, don't ya know.

Maybe I should not ask where the "real" U.P. starts by the looks of what went on today!

Gliderrider, thanks for a glimpse of the old home town. I believe I spied Tom Tikkinan in one shot, and Hank Elenich in another.

And Elvira, put what you want to in your pasty and call it whatever you want. I don't believe anyone in the UP owns the recipe, and every good cook likes to make what they cook into their own. And if eating vegetarian keeps you looking like that, more power to you! I'm sure if you came to visit God's Country, you'd find only smiles and open arms -- maybe too many open arms!

I propose Elvira come to the Copper Country for Pastyfest next year. I would GLADLY turn over a check to the Stillwaters center/Pasty.com in exchange for a simple picture and or autograph! For a poster of her holding A pasty...I will give Charlie and Stillwaters my next paycheck..IT IS REAL SMALL..OH I hope it really is her regardless.

Consider this the autograph you requested. To bad you didn't give me your name, as most of you are nameless. Perhaps PastyFest needs a headliner to draw more people to their Festival. It looked by the pictures I observed that not to many of you showed up. I became interested in you when my friend in Sacramento and your governor made a wager. Perhaps "A Fan" you can become an advocate for the Stillwaters center and get more people involved in donating whatever they can for the aged. I reman ELVIRA

Wowsa, It's me. In reference to things said today, as if I were to begin all over again. Provatica, thimbleberry, chippy pasties??? What is a Bath Tub Surfer? Mr. Carl - ye of little faith - you sound bitter; turpentine (and I am serious). A dickey in winter - only in winter? Newstys? "Different strokes for different folks" and please, stick to your yooper poster pasty girl (she has got to be very voluptuous) I have enough posters of my own.

I quote Elvira " I became interested in you when my friend in Sacramento and your governor made a wager". Arnold and Jennifer???? Somebody is having fun (?????) with the pasty cam posters. As for not too many people at the PastyFest, for heaven sakes, this was a SMALL town gathering, not some BIG event that was meant to draw thousands and thousands of people. And the 'headliner' were 'pasties'. Despite the weather many brave souls showed up. We are talking small town not "Big City, Bright Lights.

Elvira

And Wowsa back to you. No bitterness intended.
A little fun amongst all of us "kissin' cousins".
So do you have your own web site?

Elvira's web site is www.elvira.com

A doubting Thomas - my YOU protest to much. Do YOU doubt that the governor is not my friend? Do YOU doubt they made a bet? We all know what happened to that. YOU hide behind initials, do YOU have a name, not that it would mean anything to me, but it would be nice to know who I am addressing. Someone is having fun. I always try to have fun, it is part of my forte. I still am who I say I am, ELVIRA. Think about YOUR blunder, YOU say the "Pasties were your headliner". Well, I think that is just great! I believe I read that the first 400 were to be given away. I read there were people coming from all over the country; yet, I didn't see very many takers. YOU can blame it on the weather if YOU choose. However, Cak, there are many hungry people out there, and despite the weather I am sure they would have been in line to receive this precious gift. If I know anything about photographers, they would have taken pictures that had the most people in line waiting for these pasties. Now, Cak, I am Elvira, and if YOU choose to doubt that I can't help to change your mind as I also feel there is more to YOU that meets the eye. If YOU feel that I have intruded on YOUR space, and YOU wish me not to visit YOUR site again, that can also be arranged.

To Elvira...sounds like you are a little angry at the anonymous Yoopers on the site. Since I was the one to rat you out-let me be the first to fess up-we all have names, faces and families. I can't speak for the others on the site-but I personally am flattered that you would take any interest in the UP. By the way my name is Joey. My husband says that he is in love with you and would sell my soul (what the •••• is he thinking?) for an autographed pic of you. The hubby says that he will trade you the best crust recipe for pasties out there for a pic. Sad but true-lots of Yooper men also know how to make pasties.

Thank you JLK, that took a lot of courage. I became upset when I was put on the spot - defending myself that way. Tell your husband I love him too, and I don't know what the **** he is thinking - no crusts please.
Something none of you know, is I have been in your Upper Michigan, and I recognise some of the places you talk about. (Incognito, of course) It is a pleasure to meet you, Joey.

We estimate the crowd at Agassiz Park last Sunday for Pasty Fest was over a thousand people. It is interesting to note that there were never more than about 300 in the park at once, because of the rain. Many out-of-state visitors just stopped by to say hello and pick up a pasty, then went back to eat it in their car and move on to the next July 4th stop.

There were about 1,200 pasties picked up, and a couple dozen regular Pasty Camwatchers identified themselves by their screen names as they stopped by the check-in table (Maija, Gliderrider, Marsha of Aura, Mary Lou, Dave-Laurium, Roudy, Becky of Lansing, etc.).

We at Pasty Central want to thank the folks at Main Street Calumet for putting this event together with just a couple of months lead time. When I got up on the morning of the 4th, I honestly didn't believe anybody would show up, because of the pouring rain. But Pasty lovers are a rugged bunch, as a thousand+ of them proved last Sunday.

I know many took there pasties "out to camp"..thanks for your hard work Charlie and crew!! does anyone know of any good car shows on the island this year?

ERR ..their! ..sorry to Mrs. H my 6th grade teacher still in L L ..

For those of you who are still unsure about Elvira, the wager she referred to was for the NBA finals, when the Pistons put it to the Fakers, er, Lakers. As you can see from the link, Arnold really enjoyed his pasties. And, since he is a graduate of UW-Superior (mostly by correspondence, but hey, it's still close).

http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0%2C1607%2C7-168--96181--%2C00.html

Arnold happens to be MY governor, too, although I can't call him a friend (or even an acquaintance) since I've never met him.

Elvira, you might have a point, but I'm from Calumet and know how events go there. The rain definitely kept people away; I can vouch for that. And there aren't many homeless people there -- the weather is just too inhospitable. The people aren't, though, so Cassandra, if you were to visit, you'd find the scenery breath-taking, the people warm and gracious, the food fantastic (but totally unlike SoCal) and the weather iffy. It's a great place to visit, a good place to live and raise kids and a nice place to call home. It's still that to me, even though I live in NorCal now.

it was Not a bad turnout considering ..the weather and all that was happening ...the fourth events in a dozen range towns and the heritage festival..i will be near the front of the line again rain or shine next year!

My mistake, Pasty Central. I did a bit of research, and for a town of 800+ that was a lot of pasties given out. Candy, I did not say homeless, I said hungry. I have never seen anything like your defense of a pasty. I guess you folks come to arms, when an outsider comes in. "On Guard". Tofu, Mushrooms and Filo do sound rather bad, don't they? On my visit to your lovely part of the country, I went as far north as Fort Wilkens, my daughter and I enjoyed every minute we were there. We came in September, when all the leaves were changing color. The drive was breathtaking.

Ahhhhh, my name is Bubbles, and I would like to learn how to make pasties too, and my question is, do I first have to learn how to defend myself?

Just wondering. . .is a cookie still a cookie if all the ingredients are not the same as other cookies?

My Dear Elvira
there certainly are more then one type of pastRy over at Toni's or any bakery I have been too..So why not different pastys allowed? Sorry Misress Elvira..we locals are very protective of our PAST.Y ou must understand , messing with a traditional cornish pasty first shocks us and puts a lump it our throats .
...But you know it sounds kind of fun to experiment.A place in Green Bay Wi. called colonel K's pasties , if memory serves ,served tuna and cheese, and egg and bacon pasties for years..OH and Veggie too!!!They also had a location in Menominee Mi. in the U .P .

Do you think that the pasty could have seen the birth of HOT POCKETS?

i'm an ex-yooper, born and raised in Marquette and everytime I visit my sister in Dollar Bay Rose Treadeau, I fill my suitcase with pasties to bring back here to Vail arizona. I just luv em.I've even ordered them through Pasty central when I need a pasty fix. Any suggestions for (to die for) pasties in the Houghton -Hancock area

pasties or calzone or wellington maybe begot Hot Pockets.