May 25-04

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: May: May 25-04
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Photo by David Antikainen

Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:00 am:

I did some searching to clarify the official name of this pier, but was unsuccessful. We've always referred to it as Big Traverse Pier and that's what David Antikainen called it in his Guest Gallery also. It's a great place to "set awhile and soak your line". Or if you're so inclined, the perfect vantage point to watch the many moods of Lake Superior, no matter what the season. Just remember to heed the warning sign and "Keep off during storms or high seas". Now that doesn't mean you can't witness the fury of the Big Lake... just enjoy it from a little farther back!

By ywb/yooperwannabe/richmond on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:01 am:

Good Morning
First Post

By Brad of Canton Mi. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:01 am:

Nice picture.

Good morning from Canton Michigan

By Kathy, Center Line MI on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:02 am:

Have a great day
Hi Dan & Deb

By bt mi. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:08 am:

Good morning

By ed on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:12 am:

Morning all...Are those the Huron Mountains in the background?

By The Kitchen Crew on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:24 am:

NEWS FLASH: By popular demand we have added an extra shipping day this week, so there is still time to order pasties for a picnic on the upcoming holiday weekend!

Good morning from the staff at Pasty Central.

By Ms. Katie, Il. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:09 am:

Good morning from northwestern Il. It's chilly, cloudy and breezy. Great day to take our students on a field trip/picnic at local park! Last day of school and all that energy! Have a good one folks.I'd rather be in the U.P. :)

By Jack in CT on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:12 am:

I'd still debate whether it would be better to be on the pier during storms or high seas or be here in my little office space working my fingers off for the unappreciative.
Love the picture. Piers are one of my favorite places to walk and relax.

By uper1 on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:22 am:

Jack in CT....What's to debate??

By Alan, Kansas City MO on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:35 am:

I'm with Jack in CT. . . .it is a tough choice.

By DM on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:36 am:

good morning

Earlier there was a garage sale announcement posted here, which was removed. Here's a question for Pasty Cammers: Would you like to see a classified ad feature available in another section of the website?

By Zack, Calumet on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:44 am:

Ahhhhhhh Yes, One of my favorite fishing spots. Want the best Northeren Pike you have ever tasted?? Catch em out of here!!!! I caught four our of here last year and hope to catch more this summer. The biggest was 28 inches 7 and a half pounds. Not huge but feisty and tasty. Nice picture. Have a great day everyone!!!!
Hiya Chopper!!

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:57 am:

ed....Yes, those are the Huron's in the distance...

By Kevin K. Lodi, CA on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 09:08 am:

Debate is what you put on da hook, to catch da fish, eh!

By Jane, Tx on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 09:35 am:

wow...I love that I can find a little taste of true home over the internet. I am from the U.P.(hancock) and we moved down to Texas. I miss it up there, its great that I can find pictures of places I know there(especially when its getting to be in the 80's already and humid as can be!!).

By Wright Ky. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 09:37 am:

Hello to the U.P. From Lily Ky. I spent a lot of time in Al's Bar in Hubbell in 63&64 was wondering if its still there and Al. Marty's bar in tamarack mills has really had a make over on it.Hello Gracie Reed in L'anse.

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 09:42 am:

Heikki bought his wife a mood ring so he could tell when she was in a good mood for him to ask if he could go fishing. When she is in a good mood, the ring is a pretty light green that matches the colour of her eyes. When she's not, the ring leaves a little red mark right in the middle of Heikki's forehead. smile

By Kevin K. Lodi, CA. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 09:42 am:

That little patch of snow on Mt. Ripley is getting smaller every day.

By Debi, Michigan on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:03 am:

My AZ brother sent me this site to view. I live on Lake Huron in lower MI.
I wonder, is he wanting to tell me he is ready to move back to Michigan?
Come home dear brother! I have a fishing pole that will fit in your hand real well. xox Sis

By Jake Hubbell on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:45 am:

Wright Ky. Al's Bar is there, under new ownership, As is Martys Bar which now goes under the name of (DA BAR).

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:56 am:

Dave from Laurium your jokes always get a LOL from me! People have different ways to deal with stress at work; this is my outlet! Makes me feel "all better"! :)

By Mr. Wheatman, South end on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:59 am:

Ahh Big Traverse, a paradisiacal haven for catching rays as well as a sagacious lake trout. A sancum free of the miasmatic semblance of the urban populace indeed. Kudos on the fine shot.


By Donn de Yampert, PT, DPT. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:12 am:

Concerning the above question by Mary/Charlie: I believe that both Pasty Central and the public would benefit from a classified web page. I know that the most used/viewed portion of the local Daily Mining Gazette is their classified section.

By Josh, Wyoming on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:12 am:

Good Morning from Jackson Hole, WY
My fiance's parents have a camp just down the beach from this pier, and it is one of the most beutiful places to visit. Hope the weather is good for everyone in da UP!

By jb, yooper in Detroit on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:40 am:

Good Morning from Detroit. Wheatman - I'm looking for my dictionary to figure out the rest of the words...but I agree, kudos on the picture!

By RCW on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:45 am:

Ditto on that Donn, sounds like a great feature.

By Brad of Canton Mi. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:51 am:

I am planning a whirlwind Copper Country road trip. A buddy that has never seen the U.P. and I are leaving southeast Michigan on Friday July 2nd,spending 2 days touring,then driving home on the 5th. 1200 miles round trip. I need my fix.
What is the shortest timed roadtrip you have taken to make it back to the "Copper Island" ?

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:00 pm:

Good morning! Great picture today!
Dave, Laurium... thanks for the laugh, a good way to start my work day!

By Marko, Columbus Ohio on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:31 pm:

Turn around and wave to Mom and Dad Waara for me.
Will be there in a few weeks to enjoy the view.

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:31 pm:

Brad, Canton....the faster your trip, the more you miss!!

By db on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:34 pm:

Does anyone remember the grocery store that was nearby & when it closed--who owned it. we delivered Viena bakery there in 1942.

By LE, Montague, MI on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:51 pm:

Hey, nice picture of my favorite Lake Superior spot -- Big Traverse Bay. Our family has had a "camp" at Big Traverse for 50 years and as kids my sister and I would run down to this pier to watch the fishing tugs come in with their load of fish. They usually had a bunch of seagulls circling above the boat. Ahhh, what memories. I'll be up at the "camp" for 2 weeks in July -- my favorite annual vacation spot.

By Keweenawannbe on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:00 pm:

RE: 'Zack, Calumet'
Do you fish inside or outside the breakwall?
And what do you use for bait -- (smelt)?

By Fred IN on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:02 pm:

Hello and good afternoon from Crown Point Indiana

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:06 pm:

BAIT!!! If you put bait on the hook then you have to work at catching the fish, hard to enjoy a good book when you keep getting interrupted by hungry fish....:>)

By Mr. Wheatman, South end on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:35 pm:

Mea culpa on the solecism, "sancum" should be "sanctum".


By Mike - Transplanted Yooper - Redford, Mi on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:42 pm:

This yooper also has alot of memories of the picture above. Going fishing with my grandfather out in the Big Lake, we have to go thru here every time. Last year it was only 4 feet deep in some spots. Does anyone know if the dredge has paid a visit yet?
Nothing beats a fresh laker, cleaned, cooked & eaten all in the same day.

By Alan, Kansas City MO on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:51 pm:

Question about the Lakeview Lounge on Sheldon in Houghton. Is it still open? It was run by a guy named Carl back in the late 70's. Is he still around?

By Carl LL on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:58 pm:

Mike, Your right about the fresh laker, hard to beat. The channel has been dredged last summer, about July ,I guess.All the way through the irons and upstream around the bend. Good luck fishing.

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:09 pm:


By froggy on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:26 pm:

Lots of erosion problems on Big Traverse back in later sixties and early seventies. Many camps had to be moved and the road was even moved back if I remember correctly. Some said it was the result of the pier.

By One Finn to Another on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:47 pm:

Hey Charlie, can't wait to get our boat's out there and do some "extreme tubing" as Nate would say! Vacation cannot come to soon. Maybe I'll put a stainless steel prop on the ol Sea Ray so I can keep up with you this year!

By Brent, gray, gray, gray, Rochester, NY on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:50 pm:

I'm for classified ads. Would they be free?
Maybe it could be a message board like this page.
Easy for users to enter stuff and the webmaster doesn't have to do much work.

By tombow on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:59 pm:

I make the trip from Calumet to Belleville (just south of you) at least once a month. I think my very best time was 9-1/2 hours one way.

A few tricks of the trade: Never drive on Fridays or Sundays or Holidays if you can help it. Hold your speed to 9 over. Leave as early as you can in the morning so you don't get tired when the sun goes down. Pick up a roll of tokens at the bridge so you can use the commuter lane(cheaper too!), and get your travelers to coordinate their bladders with the gas gauge.

On the way up, leave your worries at the bridge (they'll be there on your way back), then relax and enjoy. Nuthin better than a UP cruise.

By Zack, Calumet on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:00 pm:

RE: Keweenawannbe
I actually go down on the rocks next to the Public access and fish in the launch area. As far as bait, I've had the best luck with a Rainbow Trout color(pink blue and white with black spots) Little Cleo and a Silver and Blue Little Cleo. The bigger the better. The pike roam in and out of there when the water level is up. If it is too low, the water is too warm and they eat and move very little. Water temp under 75 degrees and a high water level means good fishing there. I've also caught some small trout out of there but I let em' go to so they could get bigger. Good Luck!!!!
P.S.- How are you guys adding pictures (emoticons) to your posts?

By Phyllis M Rockford, IL on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:05 pm:

My husband and I make the trip in less than 8 hours - we have found leaving VERY early in the morning to escape the traffic of Madison. The benefit of this -- you almost have a full first day in Eagle Harbor. By the way -- how are gas prices?

By I like it on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:06 pm:

As someone who searches E Bay for all things Keweenaw-
I think classifieds are a very good idea..

By One Finn to Another on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:10 pm:

Hey Tombow of Belleville, you forgot a couple of good " ol Waylon cd's"

By Larry on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:17 pm:

Dave, Laurium

Git- R - Done!

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:26 pm:

Whats the temp there today? Its 86 here in Houston with a nice breeze.

By Jeff, Marquette on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 03:30 pm:

Dave, Laurium

Larry, sez you stole that one!

By bjll on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 04:09 pm:

To Alan kangas city mo The lakeview lounge is now Joey's only seafood resturant. Great food. I don't know if Carl is still around.

By Patti, TN on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 04:14 pm:

I would like to vote 'no', on the question posed by Mary/Charlie about the classified section. Maybe a separate website for such a venture, but please not on here.

By M.La.MI. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 04:36 pm:

You have my vote for a classified ads site!

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 04:36 pm:

Oh, are we voting on if the classifieds would be put here, on this very page? If so, I'm voting, NO, but would be great for another page as an option to view. Not here on this page because its more of a discussion type thing, and a way for us all to get to know one another through conversation, not advertising. :)

By dm on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 04:50 pm:

hello i wrote this morning about a garage sale ad and it was taking off i only did it because the place i did it was yooper biz but it didnt look like any one really goes in there to veiw so i just wanted to leave a link to it but i do agree if there was a closer classified ad to where more people would read it it would be great.

By Dave H. Corryton TN. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 04:57 pm:

My Grandmother's sister, Ida Toumala,& her husband John had a cottage just left of where this photo was taken.I belive it is still in the Kempainen family.I too have great memories of this place from over 40 years ago/

By Keweenawannabe on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 05:12 pm:

RE: 'Zack, Calumet'
Thank You! for sharing -- K.W.B.

By Keweenawannabe on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 05:20 pm:

RE: 'Zack, Calumet -- P.S.- How are you guys adding pictures (emoticons) to your posts?'

Try the 'Formatting' guide at:
Hope this helps -- K.W.B.

By Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 05:30 pm:

Dave H. Corryton TN.,

See now, what a small, small world we truly do live in! Ida Alatalo (not Toumala) you speak of was also my husband's Great-Aunt and we have spent many happy times at the very same cottage! Were you one of Lillian Gilbert's grandchildren? When Ida passed away, she left the cottage to her niece (my husband's mother) and nephew. The niece sold her share to her brother, who still owns it to this day! Email me...

By joeyooper on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 06:03 pm:

Classified Ads, please no! I love this site because of the pictures and the history comments. It is starting to turn into a chat room for insiders.

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 06:04 pm:

Jeff, Marquette.....Stole what???...

By Dan, Grand Haven on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 06:31 pm:

I have to agree with joeyooper

By clf.mi. on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 06:33 pm:

Please,no classifieds.

By Lesley on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 06:43 pm:

I'm okay with classifieds, but only if they were just another
"click" category under the "Browse & Shop" businesses that
are on the main page. Might be a way to make some
money, and anyone interested could just go to the
Classifieds section and check it out .... those who didn't
could just stay in this forum, check the current picture on
the web cams, or look at whatever they wanted.

By Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:16 pm:

Mike - Transplanted Yooper - Redford, Mi,

You asked if the dredge had paid a visit to Big Traverse yet... Carl, LL, replied to you up above, but then sent in a picture to post, from 7/17/03 when it did it's duty!

Big Traverse dredging
Thanks, Carl!

Down State Dave on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:43 pm:

Mr. Wheatman -- Mea culpa indeed! Sancum iz whut the Navy did to enemy ships! ;>)

By yooper on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 09:04 pm:

Alan , Kansas City,Mo ..... Carl better known as "Bruds" was running the bakery at Econo Food.
Back to his family roots "Bakery". Remember the Crown Bakery in Houghton?

By mp on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:18 pm:

i agree with the classified ads.if dm wants to put out ads let him do it elsewhere.

By Dave, Laurium on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:44 pm:

There are enough classified ads out there already and they are easy to find....

By Just say Yes on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:04 am:

YES to classifieds
YES to classifieds

By Pro classifieds on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:11 am:

If the classifieds are not on the message posting page then it shouldn't be a problem for the people who don't want it. For the people who do, I think it would be a great idea. I say YES to classifieds. And that'll do er for now, hey....

By Stevo on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:15 am:

Separate button for classifieds is fine. Put them with the rest of the info and it turns into a garage sale overnight. Number 2....and I am or two or three or whatever Mr. C decides is appropriate messages per day to discourage turning this into a chat room....Set a max and most of us will respect it...........
We need to look at long term format. This is a very special site. We all return here daily for a reason....and that is not to read classifieds or arguments betweent the same two people with 6 posts each..........It ain't rocket science Charlie

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 01:44 am:

Aghhhhhhhhh Mr. Wheatman: Such a poet in prose.
For all you yoopers who didn't understand, he says: The paradise of the insane sea fish and wise lake trout living in multitudes with other like fish in their injurious private retreat. As usual---your grammatical expression----------

By Zack, Calumet on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 01:48 am:


"Here's a question for Pasty Cammers: Would you like to see a classified ad feature available in "another section of the website?"
I vote Yooper er...Yupper!!

By Dave, Laurium on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 06:34 am:

A separate area for classifieds might not be too bad even though I believe there is a abundance of 'classifieds' out there in the big computer maze. As to a limit on posts, I disagree, as long as they are kept within "context" and contribute to the "personality" of this site. This is a "discussion" site after all, there are all "types" of "discussions" out there. Debate is discussion, argument is discussion, posts of appropriate photos contribute to the material involved in the discussion, even emoticins can contribute and keep the personality of the discussion going or actually add some humor to the discussion and help to lighten up someone who may be making their postings a little objectionable. Making limits in a discussion site of this nature and removing postings just because it is their 4th or 5th could and would most likely be looked at as "censorship" and I think there is enough of that going around in this world right now.Anyway, just my viewpoint given to further add to our discussion...... sm

By Carl, yooper on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:27 am:

Classifieds - okay but not in this forum.

Chat messages - I don't understand why some people who obviously know some others very well, post "chatty" messages instead of taking it to e-mail.

Does anyone else think the "first post" of the day, and the "good morning from" posts are getting a bit carried away?

By yooperiam on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 05:41 pm:

Geez Carl, lighten up a bit....

By Carl, yooper on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:22 pm:

yooperiam -

I'm not upset nor uptight about the mentioned posts. It is just impolite (I think) to use the message board as a personal chat room or to send cryptic messages back and forth which are not relevent to anyone else or anything previously posted. After all, if you can post these, why not e-mail them and save having everyone else having to scan over them?

As far as the "good morning" posts and the "Am I first" posts, to put it bluntly; I don't really care who is first to post. And I personally don't get anything special from a list of "good morning from dogpatch" or where ever.

But hey, that's just me and those are just my feelings. I won't bring them up again. I just think that this can get out of hand if it keeps up.

Have a good day.

By yooperiam on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:57 pm:

Just because you don't get anything from those posts doesn't mean someone else doesn't, after all Carl, this discussion board page or whatever you want to call it is not just about you or me...

By pj,mi on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 08:41 pm:

Classifieds anywhere but on this page. I'm with Zack on the location.

By Kaitlyn, TN on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 12:40 pm:

I used to go there alot with my family, we still do but we havn't come up yet for this summer.

By MRH, South Lyon,MI on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 07:01 pm:

I spent many hours on this pier, and would be a rich man if I had a dollar for every fishing line cast I took in expectation of getting the big one. I remember the old log crib type pier with the foot bridge going across the water at the end of the road in the 1940"s. I wonder if you could locate a picture of this to share with the others folks interested in this site. I spent a lot my summer days at the family camp,just down the road from the pier.

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