Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: November: Nov 15-04: Monday-What'sUP: Ancestors
The U.P. is rich in the history of its people - immigrants, native Americans, and 2nd+ generation yoopers. This is an ongoing discussion about our ancestors.

Alicia, Calumet on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 08:42 am:

Houghton and Keweenaw Counties have wonderful sites for local genealogy (ancestry)
Both sites have a search engine on the main page for surnames. On the Query webboards is posted much info and they too have a seach engine.
Here are the links:
We have volunteers who help out with various lookups.

By maijaMI on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 08:52 am:

Thanks to Trish for starting this, and to Bob for supporting it with a separate page idea. Great picture and intro to set it up!

I've already posted about my ancestors, but guess it should go here too.

Dad's parents came from Finland. Grandpa was a black-haired Finn. Was a mine foreman, kept a farm, and ran a store out of his cellar in #4 location, Kearsarge. Grandma was a pale blonde. She bore 11 children; one died at birth and one in childhood. They were musical and played various instruments and all had beautiful singing voices. They were very proud of the fact that "there was always enough food on the table."

Mom's Dad came from Finland. He ran a Finnish-Language newspaper. They lived in Laurium, but I can't remember if the newspaper was located in Laurium or Calumet. It is said that he was a great wit. We have some of his writings, but they are in Finnish, and we haven't yet gotten them translated.

Mom's mom was born in the Keweenaw area. She had been both a nurse and a teacher. She managed the newspaper and raised four children. Her oldest daughter died of T.B. at the young age of 21, and one son also had it, but survived. He died at 49 of a heart attack which was said to have been caused by weakening of the heart due to the disease. Grandfather died young from cigarette smoking. They were comparatively well off, but also had difficult lives due to these circumstances.

I unfortunately do not know about their parents, except my Dad's name in Finnish means "clearing in the forest," referring to the Finnish practice of burning fields in the spring to prepare for planting. The name for April in Finland is based on this word. Therefore, we assume that his ancestors were rural farmers and that my grandfather came here for a better life.

Am greatly looking forward to hearing of others' ancestors.

By Rose on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 09:12 am:

Who are the ladies in this photo? When and where was it taken? It must be summer, judging by the white handbags and the short-sleeved dresses. I love the sign! LOL ancestors were Irish and came to the UP for mining escape the famine in Ireland.

By Ms. Katie, Il. on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 10:15 am:

My maternal ancestors were Irish and French-Canadian. Names were Slattery, Burnette, Gagnon and O'Roark basically. They were all centered around Hubbell and Lake Linden. I would love to meet anyone through this site who might be related. I have quite a few names from around the turn of the centry ( 19th to 20th). My Burnette grandmother was from a family of 11 so there must be some around yet. Hope to make connections someday.

By Bob on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 01:20 pm:

My reason for asking Charlie for this list was two fold.

First I'll share my family's background later when
I have time. (we are not from here, but I arrived in 1977 to attend MTU)

Second is to help those who are looking for information from the copper country.

I had many many people from north georgia help me with my searches who didn't know me (the internet is a great research tool).

I would like to and can help repay that by helping people who are not from the area with the same thing here as time permits.

As you know I have a good digital camera and would be willing to photograph old homes or cemetary stones for those who can't get here themselves.

I live in Hubbell, but have no problem exploring the copper country to help out those searching for their ancestors.

As stated above there are people who will do lookups for you, I'm willing to take photo's of what you find.


By What's the last name? on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 04:10 pm:

It's great to post your family history here, but most helpful if you include their last names. Most of us don't know who "Mom", "Dad", etc. are. :)

By B in gb on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 04:14 pm:

Rose here is the original link to the picture

By maijaMI on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 04:21 pm:

to What's the Last Name: I don't know....I kinda like the idea of internet sites being more private. I have no problem telling you if you would like to e-mail me.

By Trish, WA on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 06:22 pm:

There's another great geneaology website at When you get to it, you'll see a list of
Michigan counties and much information!

By Trish, WA on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 06:24 pm:

sorry, that's at

By Liz, Idaho on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 06:46 pm:

A good way to assist volunteers like Alicia and the many others is to simply join either or both of the Historical Societies located on's main page: Houghton History and KC Historical Society.
Speaking from experience, a membership in either is a great Christmas gift for your family archivist.

By To Maija on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 07:14 pm:

To truly stay private, keep it off the World Wide Web :)

By Forgoten Child on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 07:45 pm:

I have to thank and KnowX .com. These are the sites that I used to help locate my biological father. I found that he was killed during WWII. I also found that he fathered two other children. Thankfully a relative " which I did not know" had posted a family tree which was on google. After about a month of research I located a half brother and sister. One lives in Florida and the other in lower Michigan. We have a wonderful relationship and during conversation it was discovered that they would visit their Grandmother every summer...She lived the next street over from where I lived and we didn't know one another, although we may have played together in Mohawk School yard..WOW what an experience finding them for the first time at the age of 65.
Now I have alot more ancestry between the Copper Country and Finland....Harjala, Waara, Maki, and Harju

By LB on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 09:29 pm:

Free genealogy sites include: (both free forums and fee searches) (discussion forum very helpful, both swedish and english) index for southern sweden)

Fee based: (subscription) (Swedish and Finnish church records)

By Keith, Kansas on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 09:56 pm:


If you have the names of any of your immigrant ancestors from Finland, you will want to check out and I would also encourage you to check out the resources at Finlandia University.

I have shots of my Sillanpaa/Polkki, Nurmi/Holappa, and Meyers/Barringer ancestors on my guest album at:

I would be interested to see if there is anyone out there related to my great-great grandfather Jacob Holappa's sister who married a Paavo (Paul) Kettonen and lived in Allouez. I have the Holappa (Raisanen) line traced back to the early 1700's in Pudasjarvi and a related Karvonen line traced back to 1690 in Kuusamo.

I would also be interested to see if there is anyone related to the two sons of my great-grandmother's brother (Oscar Aaltonen) who were given up for adoption after their mother and two sisters perished in the Italian Hall disaster. One's name was Arne (born in November 1912 and adopted by a Kallio family) and the other Waino (born in October 1906 and adopted by a Kokkola family...last family contact was in 1949 from Richmond, California). Oscar was originally from Karstula and Finnish cousins from this family will be in the U.P. next summer.

By Keith, Kansas on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 10:02 pm:

I just noticed that I misspelled one of the websites I noted:

By Trish, WA on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 01:23 am:

My Irish ancestors came from Counties Cork and Monaghan
just before the Great Famine and settled in Lowell,
Massachusetts. They then moved to s.e. Wisconsin to farm,
and raised thirteen children. One of them was my g-
grandma, who married the son of German immigrants; they
moved up to Houghton. My dad's mom was one of their
three children. She was a kindergarten teacher in the
Houghton school. My dad's father's parents came from
eastern Germany where they mined silver. They ended up in
Neguanee, and continued to mine there. Dad's dad worked
with Atlas Powder Company after he moved to Houghton.
My mom's parents were both Swedish. Her mother's
grandparents settled in rural Skanee. Mom's dad and his
sister came from Dalsland, Sweden at the turn of the
century, and also farmed and logged in Skanee. I only got
to know one grandparent, as the others passed
away before I was born: my widowed Houghton grandpa
welcomed us every summer,and those long August days in
the Copper Country were some of the best times of my life.

By Judy Chesaning MI on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 04:58 am:

One of my grandfather's brothers settled in the Laurium area sometime in the late 1800 early 1900's. The last name is Train. Does any one have any information or knowledge about this family?

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 07:40 am:

My aunt and uncle were from the reservation at Baraga. Do the ancestor sites also include information on Native American's?

By danbury on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 12:00 pm:

Ok. maija, here it is in two words: not much. Grandparents from what is today Poznan in Poland and I think Leipzig/Saxonia on my mom's side, Silesia and Berlin on my dad's. My parents were born in Leipzig and a little town in nowadays Poland close to the bielo-russian border, respectively. Both moved to Berlin in the sixties.
Great-grandfather on father side was most likely a miner, but since he wasn't there to raise my grandfather, I wouldn't know for sure. And that's it for me and family history. All there is.
One thing, though, that made me put this absolutely not UP related info here:
The name (Dr.) Herbert Suchy might strike a memory with a WWII veteran or a pre-war german fugitive. Exxxxxtremely farfetched, but still ...

By Alicia MI. on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 01:46 pm:

Margaret in Tx.
Try this link to the Durant roll
There are many sites for Native help including the message boards at

By maijaMI on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 02:28 pm:

Margaret, Amarillo TX:

Yes, please. Interested in all connections of all pasty cammers!

By maijaMI on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 02:37 pm:

Margaret: Oh, sorry. I didn't read your post carefully. I meant yes, please tell us about your ancestors.

By Alicia Mi. on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 03:16 pm:

Judy in Chesaning
In 1910 Calumet Mi.
Mark Train 39 born Mich. Father born Mi. mother same Floor walker in
wife Laura 37, 5 children, 5 living born Wis. father born U.S. mother Penn.
Kids, Alger 18, Pierre 12, Kenneth 10, Paul 3 and David less than 12 months
By 1930 in Fargo N.Dakota
Mark 59, married at 20 Salesman in drygoods
Laura 57 married at age 18 , Kenneth 30 Lens? grinder, Paul 23 clerk in store David 20 Window trimmer
Son Pierre 32 in in same place but married, age 32 Electric battery servicer?
wife Mary H 29, born N.D
In 1930 in Laurium mi.
Alger Train born 1893 Mi. mail carrier
Wife Winifred born 1893 mi.
son Robert born 1921.
The Train family is in Fargo by 1920 also.

By Judy Chesaning MI on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 12:32 am:

A sincere thank you to Alicia for providing information about the Train family that we have searched for and never been able to find. Judy

By Alicia, Mi. on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 08:00 am:

I forgot to add this link for Swedish speaking Finnish ancestors. It is teriffic!
Another in Norway where many Finnish and Norwegians came from to the U.P. early is here.
Trond has a great site, I found my g.grandparents immigration on it

Many came from Vadso.

By Alicia Mi. on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 01:17 pm:

Judy in Chesaning
Just a bit more for death records:

Name: Winifred Train
SSN: 366-54-2953
Last Residence: 49914 Calumet, Houghton, Michigan, United States of America
Born: 29 Dec 1891
Died: Jan 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Michigan (1966 )

Robert Train
SSN: 133-09-6360
Last Residence: 11729 Deer Park, Suffolk, New York, United States of America
Born: 3 Jan 1921
Died: May 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 )
Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence
(City,County,State) Issued SSN Order Record Save This

Kenneth Train 4 Nov 1899 Apr 1974 La Crosse, La Crosse, Wisconsin North Dakota (Before 1951 ) 501-01-4276
Paul Train 12 Jun 1906 Jul 1971 Fargo, Cass, North Dakota North Dakota (Before 1951 ) 501-01-6243
Pierre Train 4 Aug 1897 Feb 1973 Billings, Yellowstone, Montana North Dakota (Before 1951 ) 501-01-1540

By Hilary on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 01:31 pm:

As a former intern at the Finnish American Heritage Center and Historical Archives in Hancock, I can agree with Keith in Kansas that it is an incredibly useful place to visit. People can access records from all sorts of Finnish and Finnish-American sources that may very well help people construct their family histories.
I would also encourage those of you who are interested in such pursuits and are of Finnish heritage to consider donating materials of genealogical, cultural and historical interest to the archives. Not only will your resources be preserved permanently in a climate controlled environment, but it does make them available to all future descendents as well as other interested members of the public. Photographs, diaries, and countless other items are all useful in presenting the stories and families of Finnish America. While people sometimes do not feel that their materials may be important and relevant, they really are. Interested people should check out the link to the Finnish American Heritage Center at

That's all!
Hilary Virtanen

By Karen in Adrian MI on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 03:00 pm:

Some have mentioned, and yes it is a fee-based service. However, anyone can go to a public library in Michigan and access this site free of charge, as long as the library has an Internet connection. This is one of the wonderful services that the Library of Michigan provides for Michigan readers, and it is used extensively in public libraries across the state.

By ?????????????? on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 03:02 pm:

Although the above mentioned people are deceased, I don't think it is a good idea to have their S.S. numbers made public?

By Alicia Mi. on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 05:06 pm:

to ???
Soc Sec.# are readily available to researchers looking for their family.
If the person who asked would like the # removed, I am sure Mary can do that.

By Ancestry searcher on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 07:18 pm:

All you have to do is type a name in the SSN index and if the person is deceased and had a ssn the number is there. Automatic

By Julie, Clinton Twp - Michigan on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 11:30 am:

I am excited about this page!!!!! While I am not as knowledgeable about whose neighbor was related to whose brother's wife's cousin's sister-in-law as my mother, I take an interest in my relative's and reading about people and their ancestory. My maiden name is Heikkinen. My father (Douglas) was raised in Mohawk. My mother's (Rachel) maiden name is Knuuttila and she was raised in Oskar. I remember a little of the family tree but I will post more once I get my facts straight with my mom and dad. I know my maternal grandparents were Jacob and Fannie Knuuttila and my paternal grandparents were John and Julia Heikkinen. I am not to receive personal email at work, I will attach an email address with my next email.

By Judy Chesaning MI on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 11:59 am:

Alicia, thanks again for all the information. I don't see why having the social security numbers printed here would cause anyone any problems. All of these people have been dead for years. Alicia, I tried to contact you by email, but message was returned. Where are you finding all this information? I have a great-grandfather that we have no information on his family except where he was born. I found others by the same last name and location on the new Civil War website, but they give very little information. I would appreciate any information you can give me on how you locate these records. I am the oldest in our family now and at age 62 feel it is my responsibility to document our family for further generations. Thanks again for your help!

By ??? on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 02:22 pm:

Didn't mean to offend anyone by my post about the publication of S.S.#'s. Being in the banking industry, there are so many people out there that would love to take on an the identiy of someone who has passed.

By ???Correction on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 02:26 pm:

Oops, meant to say "would love to take the identity"

By Greg DuMonthier on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 04:08 pm:

My great grandparents came from couple of small towns next to each other about 70 miles NE of Montreal Quebec; immigrating to Michigan sometime around 1885 the best I can tell, via Bay City, then north to the Copper Country, ending up in Hubbell. I presently live in central Maine about a 4 hour drive from Montreal and plan too head up to the towns that Joseph DuMonthier and his wife Artmise Monville (Mandaville) came from. I suspect there were others from this area of Quebec who settled in the Copper Country. If anyone else has any family from that area I would be glad to do some searching around. My French is not very good but my wife is fluent in the language so I should be able to get some good info.

By Phyllis M on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 07:25 pm:

Hi Greg
My husband's family ended up at Fort Chambley around 1725 and his name was Jean Monty. According to family - the have someone dress up as him every year. From this - he had a great grandfather that ended up around Green Bay. If you could help us out at all - it would be greatly appreciated. Myself - I'm fortunate enough to still have family in Sweden along with a family tree that goes back to 1500

By Julie Stevens Beck on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 08:45 pm:

Great page. I have been doing genealogy for a few years and recently was blessed to come across an attic full of pictures that were given to my by Rick Grueb of Dollar Bay who bought my great great grandparents home in Houghton. He wanted the pictures to be returned to their family, wow what a treasure!!!! The names of the people in the photos were Gottlieb and Margretha Hartman and some of the pictures date back to the 1860's. I have not yet been able to identify all of the photos and would appreciate any input the pastycam listers might have. The magnificent photos are in Donn DeYampert's photo album at this site I am always looking for information and am willing to share information with anyone who might have connections to the following list of names. Please e-mail me privately. The main names that I am searching are descendants of Johan Jacob and Susanna (Torn)Beck, started in Eagle Harbor moved to Ahmeek, then to Chassell and then Askel Hill; Samuel Valentine and Sophia (Karppinen) Turja, started out in Jacobsville and moved to Hancock; Gottlieb and Margretha (Gmahling) Hartman, early pioneer family in the Village of Houghton; William and Annie (Hartman) Brimacombe, daughter to Gottlieb, lived in Houghton; John and Mary (Pearce) Stevens (she had a boarding house in Calumet on 6th Street across from the Ryan Funeral Home) moved back and forth from the Copper Country to LaSalle Illinois area, both dying in Calumet. Any information would be greatly appreciated and if I can share information I would be glad to do so.

By Judy Chesaning MI on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 09:01 pm:

??? Thanks for your information about the SS numbers. I didn't think about anyone attempting to take the identity of people born in the 1800's. The internet has made so many records public that it looks like the crooks can find whatever they need to be crooked!!!

By ??Did'nt mean to cause a concern on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 07:40 am:

Name: Winifred Train
SSN: 366-54-2953
Last Residence: 49914 Calumet, Houghton, Michigan, United States of America
Born: 29 Dec 1891
Died: Jan 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Michigan (1966 )

Might have been born in 1891, but one can not escape his death in 1983. Doesn't take long for someone to "adopt" an indentity,

By ???? on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 07:45 am:

It is obvious that I have a problem with the word "identity"........I beg your forgiveness once again,,,,,,, :0)

By Grandaugher....X 3 on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 08:01 am:

I am a Kingston desendant.............anyone else?

By Jim of Ann Arbor on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 08:31 am:

anybody ever hear of Eleanor Douville (buried Lakeview 1903)
and Klaephus Desjardins (my mothers maternal grandparents)
arriving in Eagle River in 1871?
More on this families history through the present day later.

Hope somebody reads this that can answer, I'm the grandson of
Eliza(beth) Gardner marrying Amos Roland Fetterly.

By alicia on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 09:32 am:

HI Judy,
I subscribe to the census at and the American Family records.I do not subscribe to the English records and can't do lookups on those as all of my ancestors are Scandinavian.
My email address is valid and should work.
The Houghton site link that I posted before has a great search engine on it.It has much info posted . I have been posting old obits and such from the Finnish language newspapers when I am able to find them.Check out the Query webboards, on the main page.

By Liz, Idaho on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 09:58 am:

Another short note about SS numbers: The Social Security Index does not list folks who have died that may have dependents eligible to receive benefits. It won't affect most of us looking into family history. If you are searching for recent information and can't find the person listed, and you know he/she died, it may be for the reason listed above.
Another caution: Yes, I could take the ss# listed in the posts above and create a whole new identity if I was that type of person. Part of my position at the university is to investigate fraud on Federal Student Loans and assist students/staff with resolving identity theft problems.

By alicia on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 10:15 am:

Hi Phyllis
There are no early census for Wis. In 1840 is is listed as Wisconsin Territory and in 1850 the first real census was taken.

By Judy Chesaning MI on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 01:38 pm:

This ancestor page is very educational! Thanks to everyone for all the information. Special thanks to Charlie for providing a space for the ancestors!

By alicia on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 09:46 am:

Hi all,
I have one branch of my Finnish family back to the 1500's. It really has been interesting to connect with all the name changes. The parish kept such great records of births, deaths, christenings and moved in and moved out records.
There is one interesting notation in a record sent to me.

Table 4 - 2

Johan (Juhanna, Juho) Larsson later Argillander, initially probably Kauhanen, d. before 1624. . . . Wife Anna Antintytär.
1. Ivar. Table 5
2. Anders. Table 3000
3. – 4. twins.
5. daughter. [Here there is a story about how this daughters granddaughter may have been Catherine I, wife of Peter the Great and czarina of Russia.]
I have looked into this and it has been mentioned that the wife, Catherine I was a peasant
Girl.I have not been able to substantiate this above claim.It is entirely plausible as
The Finnish normally kept so good records.( A person interested in Catherine the 1st is investigating this person)

I found the entry that this girl/women may been The Czar's wife. Weird. I did contact one person in Finland who was looking into this but never heard back from him.I did not write the above table but it was sent to me.I have had much help on my ancestors in Finland. The language barrier can be formidable to a novice.

By Trish, WA on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 10:06 pm:

For those of you who'd like to look up your ancestors by
doing state-by-state census schedule searches, see if your
city or county
library has a geneaology database. You can do the research
on your home computer, just by entering your library card
number. Most libraries do this for their members w/out

By wendy briscoe hull england on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 04:51 pm:

looking for waara/wara/vara descendants emigrated from vadso norway settled in houghton,ironriver, ironwood of michigan
any information regarding the usa link i would be most appreciated
wendy u.k

By Jiggs in California on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 07:39 pm:

I'm trying to find out where my great-grandfather died and is buried. His name is Thomas Jefferson Simons; he was born in Ontario, Canada (Bruce County) and came to Bay City, MI about 1878. We know he lived there until 1885. Then his widow, Lydia (nee Shelton) Simons is living in Osceola Township, Calumet, by the late 1890s. She marries a man named Colin McDonald, who also dies before Lydia (she died in 1924, and is buried in Lake View Cemetery with some grandchildren, but without either Simons or McDonald). Her marker is "Lydia S. McDonald." Thomas and Lydia's daughter, Victoria May, married Neil Dick, who managed the furniture floor of the Tamarack Store in Tamarack Mills. He died in 1917 of complications of an elevator accident. My grandmother was Victoria May's younger sister, Ida Maude Simons. Ida graduated from Calumet H.S. in 1904, went to Marquette (Normal School) and became a teacher (in Calumet, Amasa, Sidnaw and Crystal Falls, through her career). Ida married Christopher Rowe, a miner and later mine bookkeeper in Amasa (Hemlock Mine, part of Pickand Mather). I'd like to find T.J. Simons's burial place and death date. Would also like information on Colin McDonald. Thanks.

By Jiggs in California on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 07:41 pm:

Also of interest about Christopher Rowe, my grandfather (mentioned above) is that from 1921 to about 1924 he was bookkeeper for the Henry Ford lumber mill outside of L'Anse. Ford bought the mill about 1921 and later used the wood to put on the "woodies," the early station wagons with wood-paneled sides.

By Alicia Mi. on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 12:36 pm:

Jiggs, I posted the link for the Houghton site before. I think many people have the Rowe name and may be able to help you.

By Trish, WA on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 06:53 pm:

Jiggs, my grandfather, Erick J. Erickson, also worked for
Henry Ford. I can ask my mom if she knew your
grandfather, Christopher Rowe. She's as sharp as a tack and
has so many stories of that era.

By julie b., MI on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 12:22 pm:

Since you have a bracket on the years he died you can write to the Michigan Archives to search for his death certificate. From that you will get a lot of the information you seek - and then you can search the newspapers of the location of death for obits with additional information.

By Jiggs in California on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 02:10 pm:

Thanks Trish--that would be neat if she remembers hearing the name of Christopher Rowe. I understand he was active in Republican circles, spoke at many lodges and clubs as an emcee, and was a 33rd-degree (highest) Mason. He was town supervisor of Amasa several years from 1908 to 1918, and also chair of the Amasa school board. He was also a notary public. I think he left L'Anse in 1924 or so for Illinois, where he died in 1933. Julie B., I have tried the Michigan Vital Stats route for Thomas Simons--searched every year from 1885 to 1892, and came up with nothing. So either he died somewhere else besides Michigan or he died after 1892, which is odd because that's the year his wife married McDonald. I have no knowledge of a divorce--but then I had no knowledge of a remarriage until I started digging! It's amazing what family members don't tell you about!

By Keith, Kansas on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 09:51 pm:

For those with connections to the Bruce Crossing/Paynesville area, I have posted a couple of group shots from the 1920's to around 1930 that you might want to check out in my guest gallery album at

By julie b., MI on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 06:46 am:

One other challenge with the Michigan Vital Records was there was a fire decades ago at the archives in Lansing which burned a lot of records. I know my grandfathers birth record should have been stored there, but they didn't locate it. You can go to the local/county level, which kept some records when they were sent to the state archives, but as you say, without knowing a location that could take forever!

As you mentioned, on the off chance you could check for divorce records at the county level too - there is some interesting information in those. The family always said my Mom divorced her first husband while he was overseas in the Air Force in WWII, but when i found the divorce record he had actually divorced her - with his Dad 'standing in' for him. Makes you wonder what the rest of that story was!

Good luck with your search!

By walter p tampa on Sunday, December 5, 2004 - 05:08 pm:

trish-judy on my mothers side the mahoneys came to canada from county cork to escape the forsed starvation of the irish people when they,the english exported 90% of all food products from ireland this is fact and from canada they moved to chesning where many of the mahoneys still reside my grandfather moved to bay city and worked on the railroads ect.

By trish, wa on Sunday, December 5, 2004 - 06:25 pm:

Walter P, I'm thinking my Careys and Hughes ancestors
also first landed in Quebec, Canada and went into the US
through Maine, because that's where they got their
naturalization records. Their first son was born in Lowell in
1842, so they arrived just before the Famine.

By Doug, Mi on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 12:21 pm:

Hi all,
I'm trying to contact Dana (Uksila) Waters. She wrote an article about Robert and Charles Uksila in the Copper Country Homecoming Program. I remember being told that I was also related to Charles and heard about his playing in the Stanley Cup. I haven't had much luck tracing that side of my family though. If you know Dana can you pass along my e-mail address? Doug

By Alicia Mi. on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 09:19 am:

Hi Doug,
If this is of any help in 1910 in Calumet on C Street are:
Charles Uksila 49 born Finland imigrated in 1882 miner
wife Annie 47, imigrated in 1881
Children all born in Mich. Henry 24,Lizzie 23, Charles Jr 22, Annie 21, William 19, Sophie 18, Eda 17, Lena 15, Olga 13, Capria?12, Olive 9, T????8, Eva 6, George 5.

By Kathy S, MI on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:01 am:

Ms. Katie, IL - It seems we have a few things in common. My father's side is French-Canadian and my mother's is Irish/English (no U.P. connection).
On the French-Canadian side, my grandmother's maiden name was Gagnon, which you mentioned in your post. She was originally from Quebec and moved to the Rudyard area when she married my grandfather. My grandfather's last name was Savoie. He was born in Lake Linden, but the family moved soon after he was born to Rudyard. Their names were Rene and Cecile (Gagnon) Savoie, and were both born around 1899 and 1900. Since my grandmother did not know English when she married, the whole family spoke what grew into their own unique French/Canadian/English lingo - as did many families in the Rudyard area in the early to mid 1900's.

By Therese Lansing on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:09 am:

would like to know if anyone has seen or heard from Oasis Aubin as years ago he left his family and never was heard from again at least that what i was told.
my E-mail is

By Debra, MI on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 04:01 pm:

Has anyone ever heard of a Joesph Zadel? He was born in Tri Mountain and moved away, I believe, in his twenties. Does anyone remember any Zadel's?

By dm on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 05:02 pm:

Anyone on here have a Helppi family connection?

By Alicia , Mi. on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 12:46 pm:

Hi DM,
Not many Helppi's emigrated. Here is what I found:


Last name Helppi Search in other databases

First names Alrikki
Other names *
Date of birth 13.03.1887
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Talon poika
Home parish Kuolajärvi
Province OU
Passport date 04.05.1912
Passport number 320
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by OU
Remarks *


Last name Helppi Search in other databases
Passport records

First names Alarikki
Age or age group 25
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Annandale
State of destination MN
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 360
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 08.05.1912
Ship from England Tunisian
Date of departure from England 16.05.1912
Ocean Line Allan Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 95/47
Remarks Oulu!


Last name Helppi Search in other databases
Passport records

First names Fredrik
Age or age group 1M
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Ashtabula
State of destination OH
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket USD 46
Ship from Finland Urania
Date of departure from Finland 26.09.1903
Ship from England Philadelphia
Date of departure from England 03.10.1903
Ocean Line American Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 35/9

Last name: Helppi Search in other database

First names: Nels
Other name: *
Date of birth: 14.07.1844
Place of birth: Kittilä
State of birth: OU
Country of birth: SF
Date of death: . .1913
Place of death: Sebeka
State of death: MN
Country of death: USA

Remarks: LS: > 1870 Kuparisaari, USA. KS: Franklin, MN, USA. Pso: Sofia Pääkkö. Lapset: lapsia.

Death record

Last name: Helppi Search in other databases
Passenger records

First names: Sofia
Other name: Pääkkö
Date of birth: . .9999
Place of birth: Kolari
State of birth: OU
Country of birth: SF
Date of death: . .1918
Place of death: *
State of death: *
Country of death: USA

Remarks: KS: Franklin, MN, USA. Pso: Nels Helppi. Lapset: lapsia.

This one below went to Australia


Last name Helppi Search in other databases
Passenger records

First names Antti
Naturalization -
Date of birth 1887
Birth place Kotka, Lappeenranta
Birth province Viipurin lääni
Date of arrival to Australia 1927
Marital status -
Wife/husband -
Address in Australia -
Occupation in Australia -
English proficiency -
Travel route / ship -
Places of residence in Australia -
Consulate's register # 355/1.2.21
Consulate's register number k. 16.7.-27 Valtion sairaalassa Rookwoodissa, ei jättänyt sukul. ei omaisuutta. 21 Clarence Str., Sydney.
Occupation Lämmittäjä

By DM on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 09:59 pm:

Thank you Alicia.

By Aicia , Mi. on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 08:19 am:

Hi Debra,
in 1920 at 913 Division St. in Trimountain, Adams township , Houghton Couty
Jacob Zadel 48, immig.1910 Austria Slovenia miner
wife Mary 4?, immig. 1912 Aust. Sovenia
Anton 18 born Hungary 1912 immig.
Amelia 10 born Hungary 1912 immig.
Joseph 7 born Mich.
Josephine 4 born Michigan
boarding with the was Joseph Radenvich? 47, married Aust. slov. miner.

By Debra, Muskegon, MI on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:37 pm:

Oh my gosh Alicia, thank you! I can't wait to print this out and share this information with my finace's family. : )

Thanks again and Merry Christmas!


By Doug, Mi on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 09:28 am:

What is the web address for the passport database? I didn't realize that info was available. I'm retiring soon and will finally have time to check out the family history.

By Alicia , Mi. on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 10:51 pm:

Hi Doug,
Up till about 6 months ago it was a free site but now you have to pay for it. I think it cost me about $20.00 or so.
Here is the Emigrant register in Finland

By Alicia , Mi. on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:53 pm:

Hi Doug,
The cost of subscribing to the Emigrant site in Finland is about 10 Euros or $12.17 dollars a year.