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Dean Woodbeck (Dwoodbeck) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 08:02 am:

Recent temperatures have made this site as popular as it was eight years ago -- the beach at Eagle Harbor. If the wind is right, the water can be .. actually .. warm.

Thank you for your patience yesterday. A fiber optic line was cut in northern Wisconsin, leaving us with no long-distance, no cell phone service, and no Internet service. A disconnected day.

One more week to participate in the virtual silent auction to benefit Still Waters Assisted Living Community.

By Capt. Paul (Eclogite) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 08:06 am:

First PostAm I first??? Is that possible... ;-)

By Erica - Florida Keys (Erica) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 08:06 am:

Good morning!

By dlp (Babyseal) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 08:06 am:

Morning! It's Friday, and I'm on vacation at 4PM. Yahoo!

By anita king (Anita5) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 08:50 am:

Morning, in 20 days I'll be in the Copper Country once again. Yahoooo!

By Ozzie W. (10330) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 09:48 am:

Good morning to all.Another great day.Enjoy the beauty of the U.P.

By lz (Llamamama) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:28 am:

I was recently reminded of my late parent’s recollection regarding a prisoner of war camp in the UP during the Second World War. There was a German doctor imprisoned there that saved the life of their friends son, but I cannot recall where in the UP or what it might have been called. Can anyone help?

By Margaret, Amarillo TX (Margaret) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:33 am:


By WishingIWasInDaUP (Sur5er) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:41 am:

Toivo teidän hevonen aari tekeminen paljon petrata. Sekä kiitos sillä kiitos eilen. Iloinen saakka nähdä että teidät tölkki lukea tämä :) Erittäin hyvä, eh ;)

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:44 am:

lz (Llamamama):
"...a prisoner of war camp in the UP during the Second World War,,,"

Pori, perhaps?

1,Pori, MI

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura (Marsha) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:49 am:

llamamama: Just remembered there was a lengthy article in yesterday's Flint Journal about someone who raises llamas. It's probably online by going to and clicking on The Flint Journal.

By JanieT (Bobbysgirl) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 11:01 am:

Sur5er, yes the horses are doing much better! Thank goodness! A couple more days of antibiotics and the bug bite/bee sting infections should be just a memory...been a l o n g week!!! They have been so good through all of this, they are getting extra grain for their patience!! TGIF!!

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 11:05 am:

lz (Llamamama):
"...a prisoner of war camp in the UP during the Second World War,,,"

(Let's try that again - it's a challenge to shrink the image enough and still retain enough detail!)

Pori, perhaps?

Pori, MI

By lz (Llamamama) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 11:20 am:

FRnash, thanks so much! I will do some research and see if that might be it. They were living in Covington at the time so it makes sense!

Marsha - thanks for the article lead. I will check into it. We have about 250 members in the Michigan Lama Association so I am sure to find someone that can get it if it is not online.

By The (Zman) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 12:16 pm:

There also was a prisoner of war camp in Sidnaw which would be much closer to Covington. Camp Sidnaw

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 12:40 pm:

lz (Llamamama):

"They were living in Covington at the time"

Well, now that you mention that - and as Zman said - there was a POW camp in Sidnaw, also.

In fact according to Wikipedia's List of POW camps in the United States there were at least 8 in Michigan, six of which were in the UP:

Camp AuTrainAlger County - UP
Camp EvelynAlger County - UP
Camp RacoChippewa County - UP
Camp GermfaskSchoolcraft County - UP
Camp PoriHoughton County - UP
Camp SidnawHoughton County - UP
Fort CusterKalamazoo County (?)
Camp OwossoOwosso County *
* A small error in the Wikipedia article? -- there is no Owosso County in Michigan! There is the City of Owosso, and Owosso Township in Shiawassee County, however.

It's amazing how many POW camps there were in the US, not to mention just the UP - from the Wikipedia article:


In the United States, at the end of WWII there were 175 Branch Camps serving 511 Area Camps containing over 425,000 prisoners of war. The camps were located all over the US but were mostly in the South because of the expense of heating the barracks. Eventually, every state with the exception of Nevada, North Dakota, and Vermont had POW camps.

lz (Llamamama) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 01:15 pm:

Thanks again FRNash and Zman! I had no idea all the information I could get with one memory!

Little irony, I lived near Fort Custer for a short time. Closer to Battle Creek, MI. Amazing how close I have been to many of those sites. I have much research to do. Thank you again!

By dlp (Babyseal) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 01:21 pm:

My memory is not the best, but I vaguely remember Sonya Chrisman and another man doing a TV special on POW camp here in the UP for public TV 13. I want to say I remember it in the past year or so. Maybe you can contact her at the NMU public broadcasting station 1-800-227-9668.

By Mr. Bill (Mrbill) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 02:05 pm:

What was smoldering last night, has re-ignited sharply at the Schlatter Lake area at 1:45 today.


By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 03:15 pm:

lz (Llamamama):
Here you go - WNMU-TV's Docuentary:
"The Enemy in Our Midst: Nazi Prisoner of War Camps in Michigan's Upper Peninsula"

See also NMU-TV's Viewers Guide The Enemy in Our Midst.

The video may be ordered from the Lake Superior Community Partnership at:

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 03:16 pm:

Oops... typo!
Docuentary = Documentary

By dlp (Babyseal) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 03:20 pm:

FRNash, Thanks, that is the one.

By lz (Llamamama) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 03:48 pm:

Wow, thanks everyone! I am taking notes right and left. I now know where to go when I get stumped on my next project!

By Happy to be in the U.P. (Lahelo) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 04:05 pm:

The Department of Natural Resources spent the night at the scene of a wildfire in Keweenaw County.

The call came out around 3:30 p.m. Thursday afternoon. The fire is reported to be in a remote area on the southeast tip of the Keweenaw Peninsula, near Schlatter's Lake. The area is not easily accessible.

Crews made it to the blaze in the night, but there's been no word on their progress.

The TV6 News Department will have more on the fire as details come in.

By allen philley (Allen) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 05:34 pm:

They did forget one camp for the list . On Lake Allegan ,just west of Allegan in Allegan Co. My mother in laws father worked there. Not in U.P. of course but shows not all sources are complete.

By upmama (Upmama) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 06:08 pm:

There was a POW camp north of Iron River, I think at Gibb City. Also regarding FRNash and 'Owosso' County; there is an Owasso County; perhaps it was just spelled wrong.

By Kathy P. (Katiaire) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 06:12 pm:

There was definetly a POW camp in Owosso (Shiawasse County). My dad was a foreman overseeing the POWs at the canning factory. Unfortunately, he died when I was eleven; therefore, I missed the interesting stories.

By Erica - Florida Keys (Erica) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 06:48 pm:

I seem to recall there was an Italian prisoner of war camp at the fairgrounds on Woodward Ave. in Detroit. I can remember when a group of prisoners were taken on a boat trip to Bob-Lo.

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 07:43 pm:

This Prisoner of War camps business certainy is all interesting history, sadly, mostly left to fade into the dust.

allen philley (Allen):
"... shows not all sources are complete."

True, and as a matter of fact, as it says in the Wikipedia article:


"This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it."

upmama (Upmama):
"... there is an Owasso County; perhaps it was just spelled wrong."

Hmmm, that's strange, I can't think where ... of course Michigan has 83 counties, mebby I missed somethin'.

See links:
1. US Census Bureau outline map of Michigan counties
2. State of Michigan: Michigan counties

Oh incidentally, by comparison, Arizona has only 15 counties, including:
1. Coconino County, physically larger than Denmark at 18,661 square miles - the second largest county by land area in the 48 continguous United States, behind San Bernardino County, CA.
2. Maricopa County, 9,224 square miles, with a population as of July, 2005 of 3,635,528 - putting it fourth in the country's largest counties by population, though it is likely to have surpassed Harris County, TX (Houston) for third place by 2006.

Yet all of Arizona's counties handle county business at the county offices, unlike Michigan where much of the county business is actually handled by the "Townships". (I never did understand that!)
Erica - Florida Keys (Erica) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 08:54 pm:

upmama,I just checked the Michigan counties map and can't find an Owasso county. I am inclined to think the camp was in Shiawassee county.

By Happy to be in the U.P. (Lahelo) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:19 pm:

Erica, Its Owosso County.

By Happy to be in the U.P. (Lahelo) on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:22 pm:

Sorry City of Owosso in Shiawassee County.

By Danbury (Danbury) on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 01:57 am:

Owosso, Owasso, ogottogottogott. :) Didn't find neither Owasso nor Owosso counties in the atlas. However, interesting reading today about the german POW's in the UP. Another point on my should-I-ever-make-it-UP-list. One thing, though: german POW's, rather than Nazis. Being in the german army didn't necessarily make one a nazi, the latter in the war, the less. Though, admittedly, many were.

By Mary Lou Curtin (Marylou) on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 12:41 pm:

My friend grew up on a large farm in Carney-Nadeau area and during the war there were German POWs helping on the farm. One prisoner was an artist and he made a model of the farm as a gift to the family when he left for his homeland.........on a trip to Germany my husband and I became lost looking for Heinsburg in West Phalia....we stopped a guesthouse/bar and were instantly treated to wonderful folks who directed us to the "other" Heinsburg. (we learned there are 2 Heinsburgs in West Phalia ..??..) The fellow who helped us was a former German POW...he loved his time in the USA and said he was treated very well...he even invited us to spend the night in his home...his daughter was an English teacher in the local school and she joined us to make sure we understood how to drive through the Saurland late at husband's Uncle Art Hulkonen, from Nisula, was a prisoner of Germany captured at the Battle of the Bulge...things were much different for him but he said one guard was kind to him and helped him to survive..........Peace.......

By Michael Du Long (Mikie) on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 03:54 pm:

Mary Lou, It is Saarland. Danbury was kind enough to contact my friends in Kaiserslautern and we are in touch with each other. They have phoned twice in as many days. Thank you Danbury you have mad an old man happy.

By Mary Lou Curtin (Marylou) on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 04:04 pm:

Michael..OOPS...guess my German is sort of rusty..Thanks...How nice that you were able to reconnect with old friends......I think we need to adopt Danbury into Yooperdom....

By Inwis (Inwis) on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 05:18 pm:

According to Wikipedia at least:

"Sauerland" is a rural, hilly area spreading across most of the east of the state of
North Rhine-Westphalia.

"Saarland" is one of the 16 states of Germany.

By Mary Lou Curtin (Marylou) on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 06:18 pm:

Inwis..Thanks..I did mean the Sauerland..the hilly region in the Eastern part of is the area from which my family Fretter came to Quincy in 1884......It is so beautiful!! is the skii area of Germany.....Hey Michael, what say you???

By Deb S. (Usedtobeayooper) on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 02:54 pm:

Hey I didn't see that picture. Is that Eagle Harbor beach? We were just there and I just love that beach. How great would it be to live across the street from that?

By Liz B (Lizidaho) on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 11:27 am:

Grew up on that beach! Still a water lover to this day.

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