Oct 26-02

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2002: October: Oct 26-02
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Charlie at Pasty Central on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 09:56 am:

Here's a scene from among several dozen pictures we received in our photo inbox over the past week. Dan Wenberg took quite a few shots as he strolled around Calumet, and maybe we can post some more later. Right now, I'm out the door to watch the Women's Hockey Huskies tangle with the K-Wings at MTU's SDC. Where did summer go?

By Katherine D. in G.R. Mi on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 11:06 am:

Summer is in our archives, to go back to now and then for some great Warm inspiration and Hope for Spring !!! Thanks to every one at Pasty Central.

By JT, Plymouth & Munising Mi. on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 11:07 am:

Excellent photo, as always. I visit this site all the time. Haven't posted a message but once or twice, but I always try to read all the postings. Some jerk a tear, some make you laugh, and quite a few bring back memories. But now I have a curious question -

Has anyone heard as to how our next two candidates for governor stand in regards to the U.P. land sale ?
I don't want to turn this into a debate and tie up Charlie's site, but I am concerned as to what they might or might not do about this sale.
I know that Engler has things in the making to acquire this land, but his term is up at the end of this year and that land won't hit the market until next year. I have written email to both candidates (one repeatedly), and have only received a response from one, and that response was within a matter of a few hours after my first email.
What I am asking, is if anyone has heard either of our two candidates specifically mention anything about the "U.P. Land Sale" and if so where I might find this information.

By Kate, CA on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 11:52 am:

Love that the kids are giving us the peace
sign!! Yea!! Another generation for peace.

By Scott, Wisconsin on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 01:31 pm:

Simple joys we have long forgotten?
I recall don't huge snowballs once!

What do they need a Playstation for?
I wish those video games were all smashed
and all kids learned to make snowballs.

By Doug, Wixom, MI on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 07:43 pm:

What do ya think... 40 years from now, will one of these young men or ladies shown here be looking at the Pasty Cam's Shoebox Memories at themselves? Just a thought.

By mh, mi on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 08:02 pm:

ok, jt,
i'm interested. what is the u. p. land sale?
and what might it mean?

By 100%yooper on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 08:43 pm:

mh, Hope this helps

Board OKs U.P. land-deal funds

Total half of what Engler requested

Gazette Writer
and The Associated Press
TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. — The state’s Natural Resources Trust Fund board Tuesday committed $10 million toward the purchase of 390,000 acres of Upper Peninsula land, short of Gov. John Engler’s original $20 million request.
The board agreed to commit $4 million this year and $3 million in each of the following two years to help purchase property owned by the Kamehameha Schools Trust, said George Burgoyne, resource management deputy with the DNR.
“This shows we’re willing to step up and participate in this,” said Jim Ekdahl, U.P. field deputy for the Department of Natural Resources. “We can keep this land as timber, which is good for jobs, and we all know how important that is up here.”
Said DNR spokesman Brad Wurfel, “I think this is a big step, in terms of kicking this thing off the mark.”
The state Legislature must approve the expenditure.
“I think it’s a good idea, but the devil’s in the details,” said state Rep. Rich Brown, D-Bessemer. “When you start out on something like this, promises can be broken.”
The state hopes to combine $10 million from the trust fund, another $10 million from federal sources and up to $20 million in charitable contributions raised by The Nature Conservancy — an international land-preservation organization — to buy conservation easements.
State and conservancy officials hope their seed money and potential tax breaks will attract a timber company to join the effort. Under the state plan, a company would provide the bulk of financing for the estimated $150 million sale price and own timber rights and 90 percent of the property.
The company also would guarantee permanent public access through a conservation easement, according to the plan.
Private ownership would keep the property on the tax rolls and provide timber industry jobs to help support the U.P.’s historically wobbly economy. Thousands of outdoor enthusiasts hunt, fish and snowmobile the heavily forested, lake-dotted land.
A Kamehameha spokeswoman recently said the state is among multiple bidders for the property. The land sale is expected to be completed by early next year.
Engler and The Nature Conservancy’s Michigan chapter last month sketched out plans to combine state, federal and private funds to buy the Kamehameha property. Officials hope to use tax incentives plus contributions from state, federal and philanthropic sources to entice a timber industry partner.
Kamehameha officials, however, demanded a confidentiality clause in the bid process, which prevents discussion of possible partners in the plan.
Philip Power, chairman-elect of the conservancy’s state chapter, said the confidentiality requirements make it difficult to cut through red tape to link the various state, federal and nonprofit bureaucracies involved in pulling off the deal, according to an Associated Press story.
The Kamehameha property is scattered throughout much of the Upper Peninsula, including about 144,600 acres in Alger County and almost 92,000 in Luce County.

By Marie:OK on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 09:34 pm:

What is a company with a Hawaiian name doin' owning alot of the UP? Who are they really? Will the sell to a wild boar raisin' rich kin' guy? Will they melt snow for drinkin' water and ship it to Hawaii? Hey, that's not a bad idea....I wish I had $200 million and they had better land somewhere else. Seriously, what happened to all the money the lottery was going to bring in? How come the great state of Michigan can't afford this land? More ??? than answers. Those kids in todays pic are so darn cute!

By Charlie at Pasty Central on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 11:35 pm:

Correction on my note above about Tech Women's Hockey. Today they played Superior Wave, not the K-Wings (though many of the Waves are former K-Wings). An entertaining game, MTU won 5-2.

Don't forget to set your clocks back one hour tonight!

By Estaphan, HI on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 01:01 am:

Read here about Kamehameha property:http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/enviro-mich/2002-07/msg00129.html

Once all your forest lands are cut and shipped to Japan all you "Yoopers" can perhaps stimulate your local economy by holding a Snow Lauau on all that clear-cut land you are going to have. Aloha

By Alex Tiensivu, No-Snow-Ville on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 08:08 am:

If you took all the snow we've had in Georgia in the past ten years, and put it all together, we couldn't make a snowball like that! If we are able to have a snowball fight, it is from collecting snow from an ENTIRE windshield after a dusting, and even then, it's a small ball!

Someone want to send me a Snow Thermometer for Georgia? (Make sure it's at least a quarter of an inch tall, please). :)


By Carolyn S. Arizona on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 08:30 am:

If the time changed last night, how come bridge cam is still 3 hours different than us here in Arizona? Arizona doesn't change time at all. Half the year we are on Pacific time and half the year we are mountain time.
Or is it that the clock on bridge cam wasn't changed yet.

By Daryl on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 09:48 am:

Thanks for reminding me to check the clock on the Bridge Cam computer. It should have been set to update for daylight savings time automatically, but it wasn't. It should be correct now.

By Proud grannny - U.P. on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 10:10 am:

What a pleasant surprise to wake up and see our smiling grandson's face on the cam shot, Oct. 26, and giving the peace sign! May there be peace in the world. That is one huge snowball kids. Good job!

By PSmith SC on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 10:15 am:

Charlie - Where is the snow measurement taken which is reported on the Keweenaw Snow Report? There is quite a variation in amount received between Houghton and Copper Harbor. I recall the first winter I was in the Copper Country we received about 254 inches, 1952-53, up around Mohawk.

By Charlie at Pasty Central on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 11:16 am:

George Hite has an excellent article about Keweenaw's snow measurement at EagleHarborWeb.net. Also be sure to check out the pumpkin contest coming up this week.

By Marie:OK on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 05:15 pm:

Thanks for the info Estaphan but not many will listen to the warning. The saddest day in my recent memory about my beloved homeland of glorious forests was when I took my obligatory drive into the tallest and darkest woods near Norway Lake near Sidnaw and was absolutely shocked to see clear cutting in a National Forest. The Big Lake clear cutting hurt but this time I cried. Jobs is not an issue since one man in a machine can cut down and peel hundreds of trees in a short time. Only the wealthy can afford those machines. Don't get me wrong, I am for progress but protection of the most beautiful forests and lakes in America is important. The serenity of those places and their scenic views as portrayed on this website have a certain calming effect that we all need. I drive 1050 miles one way each year to renew my spirit by going to the outback of the UP--there is nothing like it.

By Yopper in Indiana on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 07:22 am:

I believe that the snow measurement for the Eagle Harbor board is taken at Delaware by the Keweenaw County Road Commission. You too, can post your snow estimates at the Eagle Harbor web site.

By MRL on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:52 am:

more re: UP Land Sale. Go to the Nature Conservancy Web Site for information (Look at the first item under News and Events.)If the following doesn't appear as a weblink, then in your Search bar type in - http://nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/michigan}
According to news reports, the UP land currently owned by the Kamehameha Schools for investment purposes is definitely going to be sold in 2003. If the land is purchased in random chunks for "development," the results could be grim. Colorado and California are just two places where incredibly vast stretches of open land have disappeared in the name of "development."

By Rachel, St. Clair Shores, MI on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:16 pm:

Thanks for this picture! I love them all, but I went to Washington Middle School and loved walking along the alley near all the old mining buildings. This made me really homesick!

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