discussion re: gas prices

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: May: May 15-04: discussion re: gas prices
mark from kaleva and soon calumet on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 09:00 am:

Hi there, Just wondering what the price of gas is up there. Could I have a report?

Thank You,
Mark Pasich

It Jumped to 2.10 last night here

By Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 10:35 am:

mark from kaleva and soon calumet~~

I just filled up, here in Lake Linden, about an hour ago...it was $2.12 for unleaded regular. ouch!

By John, MI on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 11:31 am:

Gas is $2.14.9 at Festival Foods and $2.19.9 at the Sharon Avenue Mobil today.

By vaalea - copper city till Tue on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 01:37 pm:

It IS beautiful in the Keweenaw today!!

1.99 around Negaunee last nite

By Vanessa MI on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 05:13 pm:

I like Dave's picture better because its in the day time!! GREAT Flag picture!!!!!!

Mary Drew-- ummm just be glad because in some state (forgot which) they want an ARM and a LEG for gas. Did you see that on the weather channel? LOL on the sign instead of saying prices they don't want the money... just an arm and a leg. OH just some news you CAN us. DON'T FILL UP ON MAY 19TH!!!! Everyone is doing it, because we want the prices down. Do you think it will work?? HA


By Kathi, Ferndale MI on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 08:25 pm:

Regarding the one day (May 19) proposed "gas out" boycott: Excerpted from http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp

"Although it went into hiding for several years, the one-day "gas out" craze is back and with it a reminder that protest schemes that don't cost the participants any inconvenience, hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was called for in 2000, but both drew little participation and had no effect on retail gasoline prices because they were based on a flawed premise.

By definition, a boycott involves the doing without of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted product held up as tangible proof to those who supply the commodity that consumers are prepared to do without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out" calls for isn't consumers swearing off using or buying gasoline, even for a short time, but for them to simply shift their purchases by one day. The same amount of gasoline will be run through the cars of the boycotters during the "gas out," and the same amount of gasoline will ultimately be purchased by motorists (albeit some of it a day earlier or a day later). Because the "gas out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a hollow one.

Not buying gas on a designated day may make people feel a bit better about things by providing them a chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices, but the action won't have any real impact on retail prices. An effective protest would involve something like organizing people to forswear the use of their cars on specified days, an act that could effectively demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to move to carpooling and public transportation for the long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas, however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is being done without.

And, contrary to the claims made in the latest "gas out" exhortation, shifting one's purchase of gasoline by a single day will not jam up stockpiles and thereby cost oil companies billions of dollars:

[The "gas out"] was really sort of a hoot, because the initiative was so, well, American in that it didn't require sacrifice or inconvenience. Rather than urging a prolonged vehicle-use moratorium to emphasize consumer power, gas out organizers simply recommended not buying gasoline [on Friday]. This means overall consumption won't be affected, thereby accomplishing nothing.

In this case, though, the only message being sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline that we can't even do without it for a few days to demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." "

By Bthecute1, San Jose, CA. on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 08:45 pm:

The Flags are out on everyone's home, here where I live, commemorating all our Service Men, here and abroad.
Today is a beautiful day. Around 80+ degrees, white puffy clouds in the sky, a soft breeze, and it is wafting through the windows carrying the fragrance of jasmine, and orange blossoms that is blooming outside.
The price of gas - $2.55 for 87 octane. And we still have not seen the end yet. When it goes to $3.00 a gallon, and our legislaters finally do something about it, and the gas comes down to $2.50 a gallon, we will sigh a breathe of relief. (and we are right back were we started from)

By grimace on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 10:19 pm:

Time for change GREAT AMERICA , The Texan oil barons have ruled long enough! Fly that Texas flag upside down!(In Distress that is )The minds of technical freedom
will prevail ! Let gas prices rise! $3.00 $4.00
per gallon No fear! What a great way to stimulate our economy. Great things will come,
High speed light duty 100 mph highways, computer
guided hybrid autos, wind and solar energy input.
Let it blossom here ! Focus

By JBM .CenterLine Mi on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 10:23 pm:

Instead of not buying gas, how about you only buy gas from American oil Co. Would that not make Over Seas oil Co. have to bring down there prices. Just a thought.

By Tom TC Mich on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 11:07 pm:

Just buy gas..don"t buy colas, twinkies, chips, or ANYTHING but gas.....They'll soon all go belly up because they make much more on junk food than gas.

By Ray Martin Wa. on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 12:42 am:

What ever we do about the gas shortage isnt going to help unless we completely change our usage factor. Plus find other means of energy....The U.S. Oil companies have not built a cracking plant in over 3 decades. So no matter how much crude is sitting on the boats we have no way of converting it into gasoline other then what we are doing now. Plus if you are not aware we have two new consumers on the block. China and India both with a billion people. Right now China`s has up`d their consumption of fuel by 30%. Which is hugh and they havent even began to get rolling. OPEC is pumping all out and Russia is going all out. So you can see we are in a rock and hard place. What we need is to be inventive and innovated and start changing our culture of consumption. Semper Fi.

By danbury; germany on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 09:03 am:

Yeah. Just think of all the stuff made out of oil. Like, plastic? All kinds of plastics? Now, imagine all materials based on oil removed from your life. Oops - just lost my shoes. Hit the floor 'cause my chairs gone. Hey! Where's my computer? And no druggie for my headache ... What now?
From all I've read on pasty.cam I'd think Yoopers would just make computers with wooden housings.;) And basically, why not? Like the idea (ok, just had it, so ...)
And as to gas prices, well, the oil supply is limited? And when the supply is limited, prices rise? Less ressource, less supply, higher price? That's called market. Like in capitalism - let the market decide! And pay the price.
You, we, probably won't live to see it, but oil will run out. Upside: No more complaining 'bout gas prices 'cause no more gas.
Of no importance today? Then why all this talk about gas prices? Hey, the rise just started!

By Vanessa, MI on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 11:20 am:

HAHA we've got our own page know. LOL

By maijaMI on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 03:52 pm:

2.13 the other day in Commerce Twp., but came down to 2.05. We CAN'T boycott. How'll we get to work? In this whole area, we have no rapid transit. They have us over the barrel!

By B. King, L'anse, MI on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 07:05 pm:

I only stop at Citgo for beer. An 8 foot siphon hose and a willing Ford Excursion will keep me going for a week or more. The drastic increase in $ is oil cartel financing that has been earmarked for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign.

By clif. Mi. on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 11:06 pm:

B.King, L'anse,Mi.
I belive you are right about Bush/Cheney re-election campaign and the high price of gas.But
maybe we should be watching out for the price of water too. Don't buy bottled water, when we can
drink Lake Superior water free.Where is that money going?

By Proud to Be an American, MI on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 08:39 am:

What ever happened to all of that Iraqi oil that the evil Bush and Cheney were going to steal? Seems to me our gas prices should be down to about 75 cents per gallon by now. Another note to all of you Bush haters out there. If it was that easy to take over a country of a few million fanatical loonies think how easy it will be to start drilling in ANWR!!!!!
Just saw pictures of Micheal Moore beaming brightly after his latest anti American film premire. I was struck with the realization that we are still the greatest and most powerfull nation in the free world, for when the liberal masses cease to hate us it will mean we no longer are the greatest and most powerfull.

By danbury; germany on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 03:29 pm:

I don't hate you. Neither Bush. But then, I'm not liberal. Though you might disagree.
By the way: liberal = breadless! Long time ago ... before anyone even thought about the US of A.

By Informed person, U.S.A. on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 09:52 pm:

The reason gas prices are what they are is because of the demand for it.There has not been any new petroleum refineries built or remodeled in the U.S.A. since 1976.And because of the environmental wacko's we have so many blends of gas,that this cost gets passed on to us.Then we can't go get oil in the frozen Tundra,without doing harm,even if we just drive trucks along the black ice.And remember China is quickly becomming like us,& is using 33% more gas then they did last year.

By truckdriver on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 03:34 pm:

Not to mention the increase of our own gas usage ...

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